What class(es) will you be racing in in 2008?

[Rick]

See poll! Note: it is multiple choice.

Inquiring minds want to know!

[Rick]

Reed: you're going to be racing at CHMS in 2008?!! :clap:

What class are you going to race in?

[Mark Hirt]

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[peterjank]

Do you think the rental agency we used for the RV at the LeMons race would mind?

[Rick]

Would the people who voted "Other" please post what class they are referring too by "other"?

[Martin Lenick]

I might switch to TaG - Masters. I'm not yet sure.

[Rick]

I'm the only one who voted for DD2. :frown:

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

I'm the only one who voted for DD2. :frown:


Rick

There'll be more, the problem is doing the full schedule.

All the guys on the two teams we entered in the 100 lapper will be racing DD2 next year, Zach Ply, Andy Lee, Ron Shewmake and myself. Steve Ellis from the Autobahn said that he will also be racing his DD2 at CHMS a few times in 2008. There is also a guy by the name of Mario that lives less than 1/2 hr from the track. He's only practiced up to this point but now that his lap times have fallen he's looking to do some racing next year.

[rushman]

Hi guys what's difference in TAG master and TAG senior ?
where I can find all the class maining?
Thanks

[JET Karting - Andy Finke]

rushman-

TAG Sr. and TAG Masters are both TAGUSA classes.

TAG Sr is 15+ yo drivers, and a 'base' weight for engines. 360lbs for Leopards.

TAG Masters is for 35+ yo drivers and 30 lbs heavier than Sr. 390 lbs for Leopards. We affectionately refer to it as the 'old fat man class'.

I used to say that to make fun of the drivers. Now i'm 30, and can see that getting as quick as the 16 yo's is not as easy as it once was... That really stinks!

More can be found at www.tagracing.net (http://www.tagracing.net)


Andy

[rct25]

. Now i'm 30, and can see that getting as quick as the 16 yo's is not as easy as it once was... That really stinks!

Andy


no, it is not easy at all.......:)
Those kids are WAY to fast.

Roberto

[Martin Lenick]

The poll doesn't reflect it, because I voted for TaG Senior, but, I'll most likely switch to TaG Masters.
Over 35 (way over)
30lbs heavier (not yet, but getting closer every day)
cirrhosis

[rushman]

Andy thanks your info:clap:
But I thank TAG jr should heavier than masters as seem(all the old drivers)LOL:shooting_smilie2:
I'm 35+ but I just 160 lbs:uhoh: so I have add over 60 lbs lead weights:bugeye:

[JET Karting - Andy Finke]

Wow. Time to eat some porkchops!

Looks like you are one of the few who can really chow down without remorse these next couple weeks.


Andy

[Rick]

I'm 35+ but I just 160 lbs:uhoh: so I have add over 60 lbs lead weights:bugeye:

I'm in the same situation. I am old enough. I only weigh 165lbs. I would have to bolt on lots of weight in order to compete in TAG Masters. I did it at Rock Island and it wasn't that bad.

[rct25]

Rick,

So, it is a done deal....you are running TaG Masters next year...right?:)

Roberto

[rushman]

Rick I find the place order 40 lbs lead cost $90 :bugeye:

[rushman]

I'm in the same situation. I am old enough. I only weigh 165lbs. I would have to bolt on lots of weight in order to compete in TAG Masters. I did it at Rock Island and it wasn't that bad.

Hi Rick I don't know how many lead weight I have to order.I have Birel/Leopard.
How many lead weight you put it on you Birel?
Thank

[Rick]

Hi Rick I don't know how many lead weight I have to order.I have Birel/Leopard.
How many lead weight you put it on you Birel?
Thank

10-15lbs. I use 15lbs because I want to make sure I'm over. I usually weigh in 5-10lbs over. You can buy weight from the shop at CHMS and they have a scale you can weigh you and your kart on.

[rushman]

Rick thanks for your info:)

[Martin Lenick]

Inexpensive sources for lead are contractors' plumbing supply shops. The following info is for one in Wheeling (near CIR) but they're all over the place.
Wagner Michael & Sons Incorporated (http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Wagner.Michael.And.Sons.Incorporated.847-398-5308)

2321 Foster Ave
Wheeling, IL 60090
847-398-5308

Edit:
These shops have the 5-pound disks and that's about it. Scuba Divers' shops are another good source and have a selection of weights and shapes but are more expensive.

[rushman]

Martin thanks your info it really help:)

[Rick]

:clap: Two more TAGs on the grid! Jim Koller picked up his Birel/Leopard and Motobob bought Stefan's PCR/Leopard. Will they race Masters or Seniors though?

[JAYKAY]

I am not sure. I was hoping to get the kart on the scale soon to see how much weight my fat a$$ needs to lose to make Senior weight. Provided I do not have to cut one of my legs off to get down there, I would like to run Senior. How much do you suppose a Birel M32/Leopard package weighs? I was guessing 180 bls which means I need to lose 10 more pounds to make 385 total.

Jim

[MotoBob]

:clap: Two more TAGs on the grid! Jim Koller picked up his Birel/Leopard and Motobob bought Stefan's PCR/Leopard. Will they race Masters or Seniors though?

That's a good question. I figured I would do some practicing until I have to go for some military training (mid-May). I plan to try some racing when I get back in July.

Anyone have any recommendations? I just turned 37 and I am around 180lbs.

[Jim R]

Jim, I have scales you are welcome to come by and ck out you weight. I will have them set up in a week or so....in Naperville.
Jim

[JET Karting - Andy Finke]

Just saw that people were looking for weight. We do have some in the shop if you need. I've had trouble finding at the plumings shops in the past, but could have been looking in the wrong spot.

4 or 8 lb bricks. Painted & drilled. $2/lb.


Andy

[Jeff Salak]

Hey everyone,
I will race masters. Depending how race day schedule is maybe I will race senior too. Glad to see I didn't piss everyone off by trying to start masters class. On ekarting news I had some really rude PM's from people. I stepped away from getting class going. I'm very happy to see that Andy and Les are offering class. Should be fun!
Hope to meet everyone. I have a Biesse kart with a Sonik engine #33. Hope to see you there on the grid.
Jeff

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Hey everyone,
I have a Biesse kart with a Sonik engine.

Jeff

I am sorry to hear that :) Just kidding :clap:

I am curious, why were people upset with you trying to start a masters class? Doesn't Badger have a masters class that draws a lot of entries? If you don't care to share the info in an open forum I understand.

[Jim R]

Hey Jeff, Too bad about the racers that didn't like the idea. On a more positive note see you at the track!
Jim

[Rick]

I am curious, why were people upset with you trying to start a masters class? Doesn't Badger have a masters class that draws a lot of entries? If you don't care to share the info in an open forum I understand.

Some people feared that it might split the TAG class into smaller classes. I'm guessing that there's someone with an abrasive personality who might have been upset that the Masters class would be responsible for that.

[Jim R]

I am curious who is planning to run for season points or just show up for a few weekends?
We can also add another Sr. Tag…. my son Kyle. We are going to run for season points.
Jim

[Rick]

Last year I was stuck twiddling my thumbs in Rotax DD2 for most of the beginning of the season. Someone had convinced me that there would be grids of 8 to 15 DD2s every race. That never happened. That along with other financial and ethics related issues drove me to buy a TAG. That was the best thing that ever happened to my outdoor karting experience. This year, I hope to be more competitive for the overall season points.

[Jeff Salak]

Thats exactly right there was some people that felt it would split senior class. Thus making only a few entries for class. I didn't mean to stir the pot so to speak. Just wanted to try to get more people interested! Hopefully it works. This is all I'm going to say about that. Lets just go racing and fill the grid!
Badger does have a Masters class. They have 20 guys that show up on average. They have about 30 signed up. They are seperate from Badger so to speak. Badger runs a 15 race schedule. Masters class has 10 races. I guess they figure an older guy can't make every race date. 2 out of the 10 races are at different tracks. They set up a Sat. and Sun. race up at Shawno. They also have a date set at Road America on kart track. Not road race track. Maybe some of those guys will want to race at Concepts too. Badger races are on Sundays.
It's my opinion, but I believe we will get a large field at Concepts for Masters. It may take a year or so, but it will happen. Stay positive let's race and have some fun.
Thanks Jeff

[Martin Lenick]

I'll be racing for points.

I'll be racing to beat Jim.

I'll be racing to beat Jeff.

I'll be racing to win.

But, I'll also be racing to have fun and walk in to work on Monday.

[rct25]

Martin,

So that means you are going to be racing in the Masters class?
I look forward to race with you :)

Roberto

[Rick]

Martin,

So that means you are going to be racing in the Masters class?
I look forward to race with you :)

Roberto

Not necessarily. I believe Jim R said that he will be racing in TAG Senior. Jeff is racing in Masters. So maybe Martin means that he will be racing in both TAG Senior and TAG Masters. :confused:

[rct25]

I'll be racing TaG senior and TaG Masters :)
See you guys at CHMS on March 29.

Roberto

[Rick]

The real count is:

TAG Masters: 4 *Jeff, Roberto, Paul Russo, *Martin
TAG Senior: 8 David, *Jim R, *Luke, *Rick, Paul Wong, Stefan, *Jordan, Roberto, *Scott Goolik

Jim Koller hasn't decided yet. I also put an asterisk next to guys I believe will race every weekend based on their participation in 2007. So at a minimum every weekend there will be 2 TAG Masters guys and 5 TAG Senior guys. This doesn't count some of the other guys who aren't on the site.

[JET Karting - Andy Finke]

From talking with Les, there are 5 racers that have signed up for the full season in Masters. I beliee at least 4 of them are new to CHMS.

It's working...


Andy

[Rick]

From talking with Les, there are 5 racers that have signed up for the full season in Masters. I beliee at least 4 of them are new to CHMS.

It's working...


Andy


Thanks for the info Andy. How many guys have signed up for TAG Senior?

[Jim R]

Rick, don't forget to add Kyle into tag sr.!

[Rick]

I added Kyle to the list.

[JET Karting - Andy Finke]

Thanks for the info Andy. How many guys have signed up for TAG Senior?

Not sure if anyone has. Masters and HPV Jr Sportsman needed the committed entries to secure the class.

With the Sr class, there will be all you showing up like normal.


Andy

[Rick]

Not sure if anyone has. Masters and HPV Jr Sportsman needed the committed entries to secure the class.

With the Sr class, there will be all you showing up like normal.


Andy

There's at least one person who pre-paid for the entire season in TAG Senior at CHMS. That would be me.

[rystar]

I raced HPV heavy last year and am planning to step up to Tag this year. I do not have a tag kart yet, however I will be browsing@ the expo next week. I was going to buy a used kart but am now looking at something new. If all goes well I will be in masters as well 95%. Also Bill Huenemann will also be running masters.

[Rick]

Wow, TAG Masters is building up quickly. :thumbsup:

[Jeff Salak]

I thought it would Rick. By having Masters class, this will improve entries to senior to. I know most masters won't race in senior class. But some will. Plus the Master aged people most likely have kids. They may not race Tag. They will bring in entries to other classes. It may not be huge, but it's a start for the track to have success.
You need entries to keep track going in general. The cost for up keep and everything else. So any kind of support is good. Concepts is an excellent track with excellent people in charge. You always need to keep a good thing going!

Jeff

[MotoBob]

Having not seen an actual TaG race yet, I think I am leaning towards Masters. Old fat guys seem to have more fun and are more likely to not want to get hurt (anymore). Once I get time on the track and see some races maybe I will try TaG Senior.

[Rick]

Having not seen an actual TaG race yet, I think I am leaning towards Masters. Old fat guys seem to have more fun and are more likely to not want to get hurt (anymore). Once I get time on the track and see some races maybe I will try TaG Senior.

You don't weigh enough. Are you old enough? You have to be 35 years old if you aren't 200lbs.

[Jeff Salak]

The weight differemce between Senior and Masters is about 30#'s. Don't quote me on that. It depends on what engine. I know for senior with leopard is 360#'s and Masters is 390#'s. Your right about age 35 and over, this is not a heavy Masters class. If you dont weigh enough they just recalled 143 million pounds of hamberger!!!! LOL!

[Rick]

http://www.tagracing.net/rules.html

COMPETITION AGE - To qualify, a drivers competition age shall be his / her age as of the date 01 / 01 / 2008.TAG™ MASTERS - ages 35 and up TAG™ Masters’s drivers must be 35 years of age before they may compete.
NOTE: At the discretion of the club, series, and or Race director.
If a TAG™ Heavy class is not offered, a 200 lbs driver may run TAG™ Masters if he or she is 15 years of age and he or she weighs 200 lbs (minimum) on race day.
This is solely at the discretion of the club, series, and or Race director.

[Jeff Salak]

I'm almost 100% sure Les wanted this as only a 35 and over class. Not giving the option to the younger guy that might be heavy. His thinking i think was to keep this as an older guy class!!! Plus maybe not to take any riders away from senior.

Jeff

[Rick]

I'm almost 100% sure Les wanted this as only a 35 and over class. Not giving the option to the younger guy that might be heavy. His thinking i think was to keep this as an older guy class!!! Plus maybe not to take any riders away from senior.

Jeff

Les is the race director and it is his decision. But that would leave out heavier guys like Roberto, Jim Koller, and Ryan Starzyck who are heavy enough but aren't old enough.

[JET Karting - Andy Finke]

We've made our age rule the same as RIGP has had it the last couple seasons.

35+ at any driver weight
30+ at driver weight of 200 lbs or more

This allows some leewy for the heavier driver without comprimising the 'older' guys concerns.


Andy

[MotoBob]

You don't weigh enough. Are you old enough? You have to be 35 years old if you aren't 200lbs.

I am 185lbs. and just turned 37.

I am not that concerned about which class yet. I haven't even started the kart.:nascar:

[Rick]

Sorry Bob! I missed that part about your age. I guess you can race in either class then. :)

[Jeff Salak]

Andy, that sounds great with going with RIGP rule with a heavy. When I first talked to Les about class that wasn't clear. That is a good cut-off age.

[Martin Lenick]

Not necessarily. I believe Jim R said that he will be racing in TAG Senior. Jeff is racing in Masters. So maybe Martin means that he will be racing in both TAG Senior and TAG Masters. :confused:
Oops. Not sure where I got confused but I thought Jim R was running Masters. Oh, well. Lucky for him.:whistle:

I'm going to run Masters. I might run a few Sr races, but not many. I think Jeff is right - the Masters class will grow. Dan & Susan might be two more for that class.

[Jim R]

Cluck. cluck said the chicken!:)

[rct25]

Martin,

I will be racing Masters and a few Senior races too.
See you at the track! :)

Roberto

[Martin Lenick]

I'm looking forward to it, Roberto.

Jim, you're not far off on the cluck-cluck thing.

[Jeff Salak]

I know of 3 other guys that will make some Master races. This is really starting to good. These guys are not on your list Rick. I will miss a couple of races, will be running CES series also. But if everything goes well I should be able to make 12 races.

[MotoBob]

I noticed I am not on the list. Can you put me down for Masters? I will be gone for part of the spring, but I will definitely be there this summer.

In fact it is supposed to be sunny and 37* on Sunday...anyone going to the track? :)

While I am typing...as a newbie...I am not sure what else I need to get started. I have a kart, a stand, a few safety items, and tools. I realize I need a sugar momma, another job, or a sponsor. Besides $$$...any info???:shrug:

Does anyone have a MyChron for sale? The sensors and wires are there. I will need everything else. If I just go buy a new one any suggestions?:shrug:

[Rick]

TAG Masters is looking like it's going to be bigger than TAG Senior!

[MotoBob]

TAG Masters is looking like it's going to be bigger than TAG Senior!

Are you saying we look fat?

Thanks for adding me.

[rct25]

Rick,

Are you going to race a few Masters races?
It will be good if you can join us for some racing.

Roberto

[Rick]

Roberto,

I definitely want to race with you guys. I'm actually disappointed because most of you guys are going to be racing in Masters and I'm in Senior. I'm sure I'll race at least 5 or 6 races in Masters. I hope that Senior and Masters are spaced out far enough to let me do that.

Rick

[JAYKAY]

If Senior weight is 360 for the Leopard, I am screwed since aputation does not seem like a good way to go. So it looks like I will be in Masters.

Jim

[Rick]

TAG Masters: 9-13 Total - 5-7 Regular

*Ryan Starzyck
Bill Heunemann
Jeff
Roberto
*Paul Russo
*Dan Sills
*Martin
Scott
Robert Kolling
Jim Koller

TAG Senior: 10 Total - 7 Regular

*Brian Jacobsen
David Yourd
*Jim R
*Luke
*Rick
Stefan
*Jordan
Roberto
*Scott Goolik
*Kyle R

Paul Wong has a TAG kart and can go either Masters (age) or Senior (weight).

*Will most likely be present at most of the CHMS club races. This is based on past attendance.

[Rick]

Congrats to Ryan and Bill on their new babies. Two more Birel/Leopards for the grid! :clap: