DD2 At Road America - aka Martin vs Phil 2008

[David Yourd]

There will be a bunch of guys from Florida coming to Road America in DD2 this year. I believe a couple of you guys have some, it would be fun as hell up there. Put it on your schedule.

[Martin Lenick]

I can only assume Phil will uphold the regional honor.

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

I can only assume Phil will uphold the regional honor.

I believe I would need a custom gear set to run the big track at RA. The highest gear set Rotax makes tops out at around 88 mph....wouldn't be competitive. I may race my shifter though.

[Martin Lenick]

I believe I would need a custom gear set to run the big track at RA. The highest gear set Rotax makes tops out at around 88 mph....wouldn't be competitive. I may race my shifter though.
I don't understand. I thought DD2 was all Rotax. Why would they have different gear sets and why would they not be available to you? If they are running custom gears, and it's legal, I'll buy the custom gear for you. If it's not legal and you know they are running them, I'll spring for the challenge fees.

I think that you should participate in this event in order to support the class - it needs it.

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

I don't understand. I thought DD2 was all Rotax. Why would they have different gear sets and why would they not be available to you? If they are running custom gears, and it's legal, I'll buy the custom gear for you. If it's not legal and you know they are running them, I'll spring for the challenge fees.

I think that you should participate in this event in order to support the class - it needs it.

Yes the DD2 is all Rotax but since the series is run at sprint tracks, I guess they feel there is no need for gearing that high. The gear set is very pricey so I couldn't accept that offer unless you buy 2 sets and you drive my other DD2 :)

[Martin Lenick]

I'll buy gear sets for you and all those whom you convinced to buy DD2's. Forget cost; put your money (my money) where your mouth is and race these outsiders on our turf. You are the preeminent DD2 racer, and the regional advocate, so, race. Just race. No excuses.

You might not believe this, but I would hope for you to win. I doubt you'd come close.

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

I'll buy gear sets for you and all those whom you convinced to buy DD2's. Forget cost; put your money (my money) where your mouth is and race these outsiders on our turf. You are the preeminent DD2 racer, and the regional advocate, so, race. Just race. No excuses.

You might not believe this, but I would hope for you to win. I doubt you'd come close.

You're on buddy

David

Do you have the date for this race and do you know what rules they follow?

[rct25]

The reason for sprint european karting (most of the karting in the world) to change parts, gears, specs, etc to race "road racing" it is because the karts ARE NOT designed to race in those types of tracks........as simple as that.

The chassis and engines are designed for sprint tracks........race them where they belong.

just my 2 cents......


Roberto

[David Yourd]

Phillip, I emailed the guy from Florida to ask about the gears. It looks like Martin will be working some overtime this year. He said they paid $4000 for 10 sets of aftermarket gears. His name is Thom Anderson and Martin can P.M. him through Ekarting. Also, the race I think is the weekend of July 11. Rules- you don't need no stinking rules.

Roberto- don't knock it till you try it. If your scared to bring yours come and jump in mine any roadrace weekend you want.

[Rick]

It looks like Martin will be working some overtime this year. He said they paid $4000 for 10 sets of aftermarket gears.

OUCH! That would pay for most of my season at CHMS.

But I don't think you would need all the gear sets. You just need the right one for that track.

[rct25]

Dave,

I told you that I will do one race this year; Road America.
We will go together because I need somebody to teach me the fast line at that track. :)

Good to hear from you!

Roberto

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Phillip, I emailed the guy from Florida to ask about the gears. It looks like Martin will be working some overtime this year. He said they paid $4000 for 10 sets of aftermarket gears. His name is Thom Anderson and Martin can P.M. him through Ekarting. Also, the race I think is the weekend of July 11. Rules- you don't need no stinking rules.

Roberto- don't knock it till you try it. If your scared to bring yours come and jump in mine any roadrace weekend you want.

David

I heard they were pretty pricey but the stock replacement set is around $300 so I guess $400 isn't that crazy. The reason I asked about the rules is because carb jetting may need to be set outside the Rotax rules for a road course.

Rick

I believe that's 10 sets of the same ratio....1 for each guy.

Roberto

A road race track is really just a BIG sprint track and if cornering at 50 mph gives you a rush, just think what cornering at 90 mph would do. The best part of road racing is experiencing the bump draft at 100+ mph. Doesn't get any better than that.

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Dave,

I told you that I will do one race this year; Road America.
We will go together because I need somebody to teach me the fast line at that track. :)

Good to hear from you!

Roberto

Roberto

Do you have front brakes on your kart? if not, are you going to install a set before the race?

[Martin Lenick]

Phil, tell me what set you want.

Rick, are you going to enter this race?

How about you, Peter?

If not, would either of you be interested in letting me rent your DD2 for that event?

[Rick]

Phil, tell me what set you want.

Rick, are you going to enter this race?

How about you, Peter?

If not, would either of you be interested in letting me rent your DD2 for that event?

This is very interesting and entertaining. I'm not sure which one would be more fun:

1. Racing myself
2. Watching you and Phil race

:hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm:

[David Yourd]

All right, now were talking.

Rick, it is not as much fun watching with 2:45 lap times -so race. Bring your TAG too.

Phillip, I'm sure the rules will be loose. The only reason they're running the class is because the Florida guys asked if they would. So bring your bag of tricks.

Roberto- I wasn't sure you would come. I'll be grilling at night, the camping is as much fun as the racing, right Martin? Front brakes give you a little confidence but aren't needed. Two of the fastest guys in the series don't run them, it is all momemtum they are probably slower.

Now I am getting excited, I hope you don't bail on me.

[Martin Lenick]

This is very interesting and entertaining. I'm not sure which one would be more fun:

1. Racing myself
2. Watching you and Phil race

:hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm:
You wouldn't be watching Phil and me race if you're on the track - Phil would be behind you, out of view. You'd be watching me race.:evil_lol:

[CIR-Reed]

oh boy, the alcohol finally got to him.....

First he's offering to buy parts for all of his competitors.....

Now he thinks someone will actually let him drive their kart at Road America!

[Rick]

oh boy, the alcohol finally got to him.....

:confused: What do you mean "finally"??? :shrug:

Now he thinks someone will actually let him drive their kart at Road America!

Actually, he was thinking that someone would rent a DD2 to him. I'm sure Phil would rent one to Martin.

Personally, I would not be willing to rent my kart to Martin. He wouldn't be able to afford what I would charge anyways :uhoh:. I'd let him use it for free, if I wasn't racing that day :). I'm not sure if my kart would be competitive though. We'll see after I get the engine rebuilt by a nearby authorized Rotax Service center. :)

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

You wouldn't be watching Phil and me race if you're on the track - Phil would be behind you, out of view. You'd be watching me race.:evil_lol:

Martin

What are you saying? Rick is going to be driving in reverse? He'll need the RM1 for that....his CRG/DD2 doesn't have reverse :evil_lol:

[CIR-Reed]

So was Martin really saying that he thinks Rick is faster in reverse than he is in forward? Also, Phil is only slightly faster in forward than Rick in reverse? Just imagine if we let Rick race in the forward direction then!

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

So was Martin really saying that he thinks Rick is faster in reverse than he is in forward? Also, Phil is only slightly faster in forward than Rick in reverse? Just imagine if we let Rick race in the forward direction then!


Martin said 'out of view' I took that to mean I wasn't anywhere close BUT I never know what he really means :)

Rick

I hope your motor is bad azz when it's done and you decide to race. I'll just have to make sure I qualify ahead of you so we don't have to line up next to each other....been there done that :whistle:

Martin

I will have an RM1 available if you want to race it...no charge....I'll even give you the big track setup so you'll be fast right out the box.

[rct25]

We'll see after I get the engine rebuilt by a nearby authorized Rotax Service center. :)

Is that the one in Sheridan, IL?????? :whistle:


Roberto

[peterjank]

Hi Martin,

I would be happy to loan you my kart.

Phil, tell me what set you want.

Rick, are you going to enter this race?

How about you, Peter?

If not, would either of you be interested in letting me rent your DD2 for that event?

[CIR-Reed]

Where the heck is Martin to accept Phil's offer before he comes to his senses?

Should we all accept on his behalf?

What weekend is this race anyway? I might have to drive up to see the lunatics racing karts at Road America.

[David Yourd]

Weekend of July 11th. The parties at Zirves pits on the top of the hill are legendary. I'll put up a Filet Mignon dinner for the winner between Martin, Rick, or Phillip.

[CIR-Reed]

Oh man! You can't beat a filet dinner from a meat man!

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Weekend of July 11th. The parties at Zirves pits on the top of the hill are legendary. I'll put up a Filet Mignon dinner for the winner between Martin, Rick, or Phillip.

I'll take it medium well thanks :)

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Where the heck is Martin to accept Phil's offer before he comes to his senses?

Should we all accept on his behalf?

What weekend is this race anyway? I might have to drive up to see the lunatics racing karts at Road America.

Reed

If Martin finds another kart to race and you want take me up on my offer you can...the more the merrier.

[CIR-Reed]

I can tell you for sure that my kart racing debut will not be driving a DD2 at Road America. That would be kind of like not knowing wether or not you could swim and then jumping off of the top olympic diving platform headfirst.

I do appreciate the offer though.

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

I can tell you for sure that my kart racing debut will not be driving a DD2 at Road America. That would be kind of like not knowing wether or not you could swim and then jumping off of the top olympic diving platform headfirst.

I do appreciate the offer though.

I believe David said the race is in July...you'll have plenty of time to get ready......think of it as a small spec racer....you can do it :)

[Rick]

I can tell you for sure that my kart racing debut will not be driving a DD2 at Road America. That would be kind of like not knowing wether or not you could swim and then jumping off of the top olympic diving platform headfirst.

I do appreciate the offer though.

Just jump in a Stock Moto and race at Road America for your very first 2 stroke kart race! What could possibly go wrong?! :thumbsup:

[CIR-Reed]

It would take a long time to type out the entire list of possibilities that could go wrong.

The list does get a bit shorter since there isn't any possibility that Marty could "stay in it across the grass, get onto the pit road, re-enter the track in 1st place, and then win the race." So I wouldn't have to worry about him doing the space shuttle launch over my head. They have convieniently placed pit lane away from all the corners.

[Martin Lenick]

Phil,
Thanks for your offer to use one of your DD2's to race, err, you...???
Afterward, let's have a duel at twenty paces; you can use one of my pistols (I'll pick which one). :)

How about this:
We prep two karts then walk away from both... nobody touches them until the race is over. We flip a coin to decide who gets which.

I eat my steak raw.

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Phil,
Thanks for your offer to use one of your DD2's to race, err, you...???
Afterward, let's have a duel at twenty paces; you can use one of my pistols (I'll pick which one). :)

How about this:
We prep two karts then walk away from both... nobody touches them until the race is over. We flip a coin to decide who gets which.

I eat my steak raw.

OK I get your drift....here's a thought. There is a possibility I could have two CRG DD2's ready before the race. I have the chassis coming in, I just need to secure a motor. If I do, I would be willing to do one better and not leave it up to chance. I will prep both karts identically to the best of my ability, let you test both in the morning practice and you choose the one you want to race....is that fair enough?

[ssracing10]

Anyone want to rent me a DD2 then for Road America?

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Anyone want to rent me a DD2 then for Road America?

I thought you didn't road race anymore?

[CIR-Reed]

That would then make it 3 CRG DD2's, Phil, Rick, Martin. That leaves Peter J's kart open for somebody to rent (it's a huge assumption that Peter would be ok with that)?

Stefan?

Roberto?

Yourd?

Zirves?

Andy Dunne?

Mason Madej?

Kasemets?

Phil - Will Zak Ply and Phil Saville be running?

I am definitely going to try and be there for this!

[ssracing10]

Ill race with you guys, before i start getting second thoughts:)

[Rick]

That would then make it 3 CRG DD2's, Phil, Rick, Martin. That leaves Peter J's kart open for somebody to rent (it's a huge assumption that Peter would be ok with that)?

I haven't decided yet if I'm going to participate in this race. I'm still a little apprehensive about this particular race. I'll definitely be there to watch (if I'm not racing that day at CHMS or somewhere else).

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

That would then make it 3 CRG DD2's, Phil, Rick, Martin. That leaves Peter J's kart open for somebody to rent (it's a huge assumption that Peter would be ok with that)?

Stefan?

Roberto?

Yourd?

Zirves?

Andy Dunne?

Mason Madej?

Kasemets?

Phil - Will Zak Ply and Phil Saville be running?

I am definitely going to try and be there for this!

Phil Saville may run but if he does he'll race his shifter. Zach Ply hasn't confirmed yet but I suspect if he isn't racing somewhere else he will do it. Andy Lee, my team mate in the 100 lapper is in. Depending on how quickly Ron Shewmake progress, he may be in but we won't know that until after his first few races at CHMS. Judging from his performance in the last 100 lapper, I would say it's a good chance he'll be in. Now I'm getting as excited as David. We'll have to come up with some team strategy to pull away from the FL guys before we start dicing for the win.

You think Kasemets would do it? Hmmmm.....it would give him a chance to pay me back for our last CIR after hours meeting :)

[peterjank]

My offer would stand for anyone on Reed's list. I probably won't be there to watch. My plan is to either be racing or practicing in my SRF every weekend next year.

[CIR-Reed]

You think Kasemets would do it? Hmmmm.....it would give him a chance to pay me back for our last CIR after hours meeting :)

I am fairly confident he will do just about anything that is free. I am also fairly confident that he won't commit to anything until very shortly prior because he never knows what might come up. I'll ask though.

Peter - With all this practicing I am probably going to have to get used to driving behind you this year (if I do any races).

[Rick]

I am fairly confident he will do just about anything that is free.

I would too! :)

[peterjank]

Peter - With all this practicing I am probably going to have to get used to driving behind you this year (if I do any races).

Finishing ahead of you is definitely one of my goals! I'll be pleased just to be able to keep up.

[CIR-Reed]

Oh boy, I just became the hunted......

[peterjank]

Indeed. :shooting_smilie2:

If I do happen to get faster than you, your task will be to return the favor.

[Martin Lenick]

p.s.

If your cumulative finances are worse than Phil Gordan's, please let me know and I may be able to help.

[Rick]

p.s.

If your cumulative finances are worse than Phil Gordan's, please let me know and I may be able to help.

:blink:Subsidized racing?! Where do I sign up? :dunno:

[Martin Lenick]

There's no "sign-up" list, just the appreciation of the have-money's for the have-talents. Phil can't afford to race, but he has as much talent as I have money. I'm proud to contribute to the future of young drivers such as Little Philly. And, he thinks he's going to eat a big 'ol David Yourd steak....

[Rick]

How about the have-no-talents and have-no-moolahs like myself? :frown: Are we SOL? Have the have-moneys and have-alcohols forgotten about us? Please don't leave us behind... metaphorically and/or on the race track.

[Martin Lenick]

How about the have-no-talents and have-no-moolahs like myself? :frown: Are we SOL? Have the have-moneys and have-alcohols forgotten about us? Please don't leave us behind... metaphorically and/or on the race track.Rick, Please stop thinking of yourself... that's very selfish. Think of the less fortunate, such as Phil... we can help him. Open your heart... open your mind... go, Phil, go!!!

[CIR-Reed]

I have to say that I voted for Phil. If this really happens it will be Phil, who has raced a multitude of karts at road america and has tons of laps vs. Martin who I don't think has been around Road America since he was my co-pilot while setting the FLS record. I couldn't have done it without him but just riding I don't know how much of the track he has retained.

[Martin Lenick]

Not much, Reed. I was a little overwhelmed keeping an eye on the gauges and such.

But, after watching the karts-at-road-America youtube video, I'm ready.

[Martin Lenick]

Martin and Rick

You guys should never drink and type.

Phil, I'm not typing, I'm using voice-recogmignitionffpt.
How about you responding-ppfth to the statementhsss I made rather than dodging the issue with the ovbious? hic (voice-recognition ooof... no, I said

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Phil, I'm not typing, I'm using voice-recogmignitionffpt.
How about you responding-ppfth to the statementhsss I made rather than dodging the issue with the ovbious? hic (voice-recognition ooof... no, I said

I didn't think it warranted a response....I thought when you sobered up you'd realize you misinterpreted what I posted, as usual. Also, I am not sure where you got from my post regarding the RA race that I was accusing anyone of cheating. I simply asked if the Rotax rules were being followed as in jetting of the carb as I didn't think it would work on a road course. David basically confirmed my suspicions. As we are on the subject, I would rather pay for my own gear set if I choose to run my DD2 at that race and you take up Rick's or Peter's offer to race their kart. That way you can pick some other 'less fortunate' racer to contribute to their cause. I may not have your racing budget but I suspect I am more fortunate than you.

[Martin Lenick]

A quick reply to the most obvious before a construct my usual eloquent reply to the rest of your tripe:

Yes, you are more fortunate. I, in contradistinction, have earned what I have - fairly.

[Rick]

Please tell me that the DD2 race at RA is still going through!? PLEASE! PRETTY PLEASE! :)

[Martin Lenick]

Phil,
I did not accuse you of implying anyone "else" would cheat at Road America - I accused you of being willing to cheat. The rules are, at best, loose - you, in my opinion, will take maximum advantage of that.

Don't renege on your offer of a kart to me; accept my proposal to prepare them equally and toss a coin before the race.

[Martin Lenick]

Please tell me that the DD2 race at RA is still going through!? PLEASE! PRETTY PLEASE! :)
I don't know. Is it still on, Phil? Can we agree to a method of random choice among equally prepared karts? Heck, I'm a 10:1 underdog... prep two karts, let others evaluate them, give me the worse of the two, double the bet, and I'll still beat you.

[Martin Lenick]

Rick,

I just realized, in my stupor, that most of my posts to this thread have nothing to do with the topic - CHMS becoming an authorized service center and dealer.

Could you move these unrelated posts elsewhere? Please don't delete them, though. I still believe Phil has a lot to answer.

[Rick]

Rick,

I just realized, in my stupor, that most of my posts to this thread have nothing to do with the topic - CHMS becoming an authorized service center and dealer.

Could you move these unrelated posts elsewhere? Please don't delete them, though. I still believe Phil has a lot to answer.

Merged into the "Official Phil vs Martin 2008" thread.

[David Yourd]

I have the # for a guy who has the roadrace gears made. Nick Weil of Speedquest karting. In Orlando, 407-509-6927. If that doesn't work private message Thom Anderson through Ekarting. He is on the roadrace forums. Carry on.

[Thom Andresen]

I believe I would need a custom gear set to run the big track at RA. The highest gear set Rotax makes tops out at around 88 mph....wouldn't be competitive. I may race my shifter though.

You are correct, but with the right gear set and jetting, a DD2 will pull cleanly to 98-101 mph without a draft and another 5-6mph with a draft.

[Martin Lenick]

First and foremost, welcome to the site Thom.
Second, either publicly as a reply, or privately through a PM, can you give me a price and lead-time for 1, 2, and 5 of these gear-sets?

Thanks,
Martin

[Thom Andresen]

Martin, thank you for the kind welcome. :)


We utilize custom made DD2 Road Racing gear sets from an F1 machine shop in California, they cost $400 a set and are virtually bulletproof and case hardened, just like the OEM Rotax gears are.

First gear is 0-75 mph and 2nd gear is 75 mph to 105 mph. We been using 20 sets of these for two years now without any problems. I have used them at Barber Motorsports, Road Atlanta, Daytona, Roebling Road, etc. They also work great for road racing tracks like Barber and Road Atlanta with tight hairpins and sweepers down to about 45 mph before you fall off the Powervalve in first gear.

The person who had ours custom CAD-CAM made and who orders them is Nick Weil of SpeedQuest Karting in Orlando, Florida. He is an authorized Rotax dealer and his telephone number is 1-407-509-6927.

The F1 shop will only produce 10 sets at a time for a cost of $4,000.

Talk to Nick direct via phone about it if you want to get a set for yourself and others. I told him to expect some people to contact him for a couple of sets for the July Road America race.

We were all up at Road America two years ago for the Rotax RMax Nationals on the sprint track, but we are all savoring at the bit to get out on the RA RR course, which the Champ Cars were racing when we were there last.

My daughter is an internal auditor at Johnson Controls in Milwaukee and I'll be driving my RV up there to see her while loaded with karts for the road race in July accompanyed by another friend in an RV with a 55 foot trailer hauling a ten or so DD2s for the races, everyone else is flying up to meet us and live out of the RVs at the track.

We talked to Bob Vehring to get a special DD2 class included so we are all looking forward to racing hard with you all. :thumbsup:

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

You are correct, but with the right gear set and jetting, a DD2 will pull cleanly to 98-101 mph without a draft and another 5-6mph with a draft.

Thom

Are all your guys running sealed (RMax legal) DD2 motors? If not, how radical are the mods and what are the hp gains? I keep all my motors sealed (RMax legal) because I compete in the RMax Challenge, but I have an extra RM1 that I devote to A&D's that I could build for road racing.

David/Thom

Do either of you know if the RA officials will allow bump drafting?

[Thom Andresen]

We all have sealed 100% RMAX legal engines and rides (RM1, CRG, PCR, Arrow, etc chassis), including the spec MOJO D1 tires (soon to be MOJO D2s) as we all also run in our regional RMAX and Florida Winter Tour series.

The ONLY thing different is the custom road race gear set that is NOT legal in RMAX, every other single thing we do is legal.

There is no bump drafting allowed in WKA, black flag and last place if you are caught and ejection if you want to hassle anyone about it.

There are zero modifications to the DD2 road race setup besides the gear set.

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

We all have sealed 100% RMAX legal engines and rides (RM1, CRG, PCR, Arrow, etc chassis), including the spec MOJO D1 tires (soon to be MOJO D2s) as we all also run in our regional RMAX and Florida Winter Tour series.

The ONLY thing different is the custom road race gear set that is NOT legal in RMAX, every other single thing we do is legal.

There is no bump drafting allowed in WKA, black flag and last place if you are caught and ejection if you want to hassle anyone about it.

There are zero modifications to the DD2 road race setup besides the gear set.

Glad to hear that, makes it easy for everyone. We normally race on MG's but if all your guys are running D2 we'll race on those.

So far I have 5 guys (including myself) interested in racing subject to their sports car racing schedule. I need to find 5 or 6 more (in case someone changes their mind) to make the minimum order for the gear sets, but I'm working on it.

[Thom Andresen]

Phil, that really sounda great, we are all looking forward to meeting up with you all at RA this summer, it should be some real good fun.

It was nice of Bob Vehring to offer us a DD2 local class option to race there, in WKA we have been racing with the Open Sprint 1, Spec 125 Sprint, and Yamaha Sprint Lite.

The MOJO D1s have been excellent road race tires, wears real well too. Not sure how the D2 will work but they should be like Bridgestone YHCs from what I hear. Some of our gang are running the Florida Winter Tour this weekend on the new MOJO D2s, so waiting to hear their report on these tires.

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Phil, that really sounda great, we are all looking forward to meeting up with you all at RA this summer, it should be some real good fun.

It was nice of Bob Vehring to offer us a DD2 local class option to race there, in WKA we have been racing with the Open Sprint 1, Spec 125 Sprint, and Yamaha Sprint Lite.

The MOJO D1s have been excellent road race tires, wears real well too. Not sure how the D2 will work but they should be like Bridgestone YHCs from what I hear. Some of our gang are running the Florida Winter Tour this weekend on the new MOJO D2s, so waiting to hear their report on these tires.

Thom, who from your group are racing? I'll look for their names. I was just checking the results and Ouellette is continuing his dominance....pole, pre-final and final. Very impressive.

[Thom Andresen]

Only Allie Vaughn raced her DD2 in the FWT DD2 shootout, her father, Eric ran in the Masters class.

Also, Bad Brad Smith, "the fastest mouth in the South", didn't race his DD2, instead he raced in Masters with Eric. Brad won on Saturday in a dynomite race and came in 2nd on Sunday when his motor started skipping half way through the race.

They go to Moroso next and then up here to Ocala.

I can't wait to go watch the FWT DD2 race in person here at Ocala in March, which is our local RMAX track.

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Only Allie Vaughn raced her DD2 in the FWT DD2 shootout, her father, Eric ran in the Masters class.

Also, Bad Brad Smith, "the fastest mouth in the South", didn't race his DD2, instead he raced in Masters with Eric. Brad won on Saturday in a dynomite race and came in 2nd on Sunday when his motor started skipping half way through the race.

They go to Moroso next and then up here to Ocala.

I can't wait to go watch the FWT DD2 race in person here at Ocala in March, which is our local RMAX track.

I've raced against Allie a few times. She's a good driver, especially on a wet track.

Congrats to Brad. Is he the guy to beat in your DD2 group?

A few of us are trying to make the Moroso race but if not, all our efforts will shift to the Ocala race. Maybe if you round up a few of your guys we can have our own Masters DD2 race then you won't have to watch from the sidelines. If enough of us show up, do you think they would consider adding a Masters DD2 class next year? I am hoping by 2009 it will be added to the Grand Nationals.

[Thom Andresen]

Allie is a good driver, she normally beat me hands down on a sprint track.

Brad is also a super good driver and always beats me on a sprint track.

Good thing for me that road racing is allot different than sprint racing!

I don't think too many others in our group are going to race in the FWT, prolly the same people will be at the Moroso races. However, there might be a couple more entries at Ocala. I plan to be there (Ocala) in March to watch, not race.

We have a National WKA DD2 road race at Kershaw Motorsports in South Carolina during the middle of March that many of us are attending.

I do think a Masters DD2 class would be great.

Let me know if you all are going to show up at Ocala FWT, we can meet there?

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Allie is a good driver, she normally beat me hands down on a sprint track.

Brad is also a super good driver and always beats me on a sprint track.

Good thing for me that road racing is allot different than sprint racing!

I don't think too many others in our group are going to race in the FWT, prolly the same people will be at the Moroso races. However, there might be a couple more entries at Ocala. I plan to be there (Ocala) in March to watch, not race.

We have a National WKA DD2 road race at Kershaw Motorsports in South Carolina during the middle of March that many of us are attending.

I do think a Masters DD2 class would be great.

Let me know if you all are going to show up at Ocala FWT, we can meet there?

LOL I agree road racing is a whole different ball game. Reading between the lines, it sounds like YOU'RE the guy to beat :) I think I'll get some t-shirts made up for the RA race, 'old kart racers never die, they just go road racing'.

I'll definitely drop you an e-mail to let you know about Ocala. We can meet up there for sure.

[Thom Andresen]

I think I'll get some t-shirts made up for the RA race, 'old kart racers never die, they just go road racing'.

I'll definitely drop you an e-mail to let you know about Ocala. We can meet up there for sure.


hehehe, you and I definitely think alike and I like your way of thinking. It would be great to meet up with you at OGP for the FWT DD2 shootout - should be an awesome show of ROTAX DD2 FORCE! :)

[Rick]

So is the Martin vs Phil in DD2 at Road America going to happen? I need to know because I'm planning on selling beer and hotdogs to all the spectators. I need to start planning for this event. :)

[Patrick Gettings]

Who's the bookie for this event?

[Rick]

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[Heat Seeker WS6]

Im going to have to make the trip up there and watch this :) .

Prob no way to get a karting novice tracktime is there? :confused:

[Thom Andresen]

Here is the information for the Rules and Regulations for the July 2008 Road America Road Race.



We run in Race #7 on Saturday, Spec 125 Tag#1 (WKA Rules) and Race #3 on Sunday Spec 125 Tag #2 (WKA Rules).

http://www.badgerkartclub.com/RA2008RulesandProcedures.pdf

Looking forward to meeting you all there and racing with you! :bugeye:

[Thom Andresen]

Here is the correct DD2 Road America entry information for all of us DD2 racers:

Bob Vehring

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New pos tPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Thom, heres your answer, enter Sprint open, Class 16 on Sat and 45 on Sun. I am also told you guys would fit in Unlimited if you wanted extra classes.


So here we are on the official race entry form that I linked to previously:

SATURDAY
RACE 4 SPRINT (30 Min.)
16. Sprint Open/ Jr. & Sr. 80cc Gearbox #1

SUNDAY
RACE 5 SPRINT (30 Min.)
45. Sprint Open/ Jr. & Sr. 80cc Gearbox #2

[Thom Andresen]

Looking forward to meeting you all and racing with you soon!:bugeye: