It's official; CHMS is an authorized Rotax service center and dealer.

[Rick]

Congratulations to CHMS for becoming an authorized Rotax service center and dealer! :clap:

CHMS is also offering free season entries to anyone who purchases a complete Rotax package (brand new chassis + brand new engine). :bugeye:

Look for an official press release by Rotax on ekartingnews.com around Thursday this week. :thumbsup:

[rystar]

Holy Shit, So is it legal to run in the tag class!

[rct25]

TaG and Rotax challenge!

Congratulations to the Finke Family.

Roberto

[Rick]

Holy Shit, So is it legal to run in the tag class!

Rotax FR125 is legal to run in both TAG and Rotax. The TAG rules for Rotax are identical to Rotax rules for FR125. So you could actually run both classes if you owned a Rotax FR125.

[Martin Lenick]

Great news.

Many thanks for their hard work, professionalism, and commitment to racing, for everyone at:

CONCEPT HAULERS MOTOR SPEEDWAY

and personal thanks to the Finke family.

Sometimes I'm embarrassed to refer to CHMS as "Norway", but there may be a time in the near future when the post-office refers to Norway, IL as FinkeVille.:)

[rushman]

Rick I just bought two kart in last week one is Arrow-Rotax Max one is Birel-Parilla Leopard.Which one I could race?

[Rick]

Rick I just bought two kart in last week one is Arrow-Rotax Max one is Birel-Parilla Leopard.Which one I could race?

:bugeye::clap: Are you serious?! You only need one kart! You can race the Arrow-Rotax Max in both Rotax FR125, TAG Senior and TAG Masters. You can race the Birel-Leopard in TAG Senior or TAG Masters.

[rushman]

Rick which class have more driver ?

[rushman]

Rick where can I buy racing fuel ?and how % is the 2 stoke oil ?1/16?

[JET Karting - Andy Finke]

Hey Guys-

Thanks for the good words. We're VERY excited to have this for next season.


Rushman-

You'll be happy with either motor. It just depends on what racing you'd like to do. Out of curiosity, what Birel do you have?

Fuel and oil for the Leopard will be Sunoco Standard and Burris oil. For the RotaxMax Challenge, the fuel and oil will be different. We'll be sourcing those to have them before the snow melts.


Andy

[rushman]

Andy my Birel is 06 MX-32 this kart won 13th annual Concept Haulers Speedway endurance race.
Do you guys sale sunoco fuel on the Concept Haulers speedway?Ineed to practice befor the season open.Also your guys have paddock to rent in this season?cuz I have 2 karts now.I will bring more buddy join the racing.
Paul

[Rick]

:cwm27: That's the kart that Jim wanted to buy. :cwm27:

[JET Karting - Andy Finke]

Rushman-

Fuel & Parts:
We do have both the Sunoco and Burris oil in stock. We are a full service shop, so expect to have everything you will need to run up front. We deal with the Birel, Leopard, and now Rotax, so any parts or service needed could be handled.

Paddock Space:
We have garage space for rent, which is what you are asking about I think. Are you looking for a place to store the karts for the winter, or for the race season? Maybe both? Call out to the shop for details, as I know that the existing garages were full at the end of the season, but I'm not sure what we have for vacancies right now. Garage space will be available next year, as we are constructing another building with some 'premium' spaces. Benches, better lighting, electric garage door openers with keypad are some of the features. Excavation has begun, but the weather is tough. I'd expect completion late springish.

If garage space is full, we can store it in the common building for you. Secure and warm!

If all you are looking for is a place to park your truck when you come, then I win the long answer to a simple question award for the day. :) And yes, you'll have space.



Rick-

Tell Jim to talk to Les. I think we have a chassis that he might be interested in. Is he looking Rotax or Leopard?



Andy

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Andy

I am glad you guys decided to jump on the Rotax band wagon as I believe it will help to grow the program. I have a couple questions, who will be doing the rebuilding and resealing of the motors? What will be the cost of resealing a motor when the seal is broken for tech? Thanks for the info.

[JET Karting - Andy Finke]

Hey Phil-

I'm glad you are as happy as we are about the Rotax program coming to CHMS. Rotax started asking us to get involved at the KMI show last year. It's a large program, but we think it will be a great fit in Norway.

As an Autorized Service Center for the motors, we'll be able to sell, service, rebuild, and re-seal Rotax engines. This should help the program grow in the area substantially.

Not sure I understand the tech question?


Andy

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Andy

At the local level, tech is usually done by just checking the seal number to make sure it matches the seal number in the passport. However, at a regional or national race, tech may require a motor tear down so the seal will have to be broken. The motor then has to be resealed by an authorized Rotax service center before it is legal for competition. Since your seal makes you responsible for the legality of that motor, you can't just throw on your seal without going through it to make sure it's all legal. My question is, what will be the cost to do that and who will be doing the work. Thanks.

[rooby]

Good question Phil. I never thought about that before. Who does it for the Master Pro Series? And how much does it cost?

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Good question Phil. I never thought about that before. Who does it for the Master Pro Series? And how much does it cost?

Rooby

We honor the seal. I heard from Marshall Martin that when Scott Evans breaks a seal at the Grand Nationals, he usually has it resealed at no charge. That's providing the motor is re-assembled in tech. If you leave with the motor un-assembled, then you'll have to pay to get it done....estimated cost $200

[Martin Lenick]

Any thoughts on this, Vivian?

[Rick]

Rooby

We honor the seal. I heard from Marshall Martin that when Scott Evans breaks a seal at the Grand Nationals, he usually has it resealed at no charge. That's providing the motor is re-assembled in tech. If you leave with the motor un-assembled, then you'll have to pay to get it done....estimated cost $200

Does "We honor the seal" mean that if it has a seal then it automatically passes tech? What if someone in the Master Pro Series wants to protest someone else's engine? Who would disassemble it? Would you do it Phil? Or would you take it and have someone else do it? Do you guys put it back together for free? Who pays for the labor? How much is the labor for that in the Master Pro Series? If the protest happened at CHMS during a Master Pro Series event, who would do the tech?

[Martin Lenick]

Any thoughts on this rooby, err, Phil?

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Does "We honor the seal" mean that if it has a seal then it automatically passes tech? What if someone in the Master Pro Series wants to protest someone else's engine? Who would disassemble it? Would you do it Phil? Or would you take it and have someone else do it? Do you guys put it back together for free? Who pays for the labor? How much is the labor for that in the Master Pro Series? If the protest happened at CHMS during a Master Pro Series event, who would do the tech?

No, a valid seal is not an automatic pass because there are external components that need to be in compliance such are carb, airbox, placement of transponder etc to pass tech.

The integrity of the seal is the key to the success of the Rotax program. It gives competitors the peace of mind that they're competing on a level playing field and it eliminates the post-tech tear down that cost the racer time and money, that is why we honor the seal.

A protest is completely different than post-tech. Post-tech is at the discretion of the race director but a protest is at the discretion of the competitors. If there was a protest against a competitor's motor, an authorized Rotax tech (I am not one) would need to be present to check the motor. The competitor filing the protest would pay for the tear down and re-seal....approx $200. If the motor was found to be illegal, the protestor would be refunded their money. The violator would be DQ'd and depending on the severity of the infraction, subject to exclusion from any future MPS races.

MPS races held at CHMS are run entirely under the direction of the CHMS staff. We follow their order of the day and are subject to their pre and post-tech inspection. If a protest was filed there, it would fall under CHMS protest procedure.

[rct25]

Can we just let the series start and hope that it will be successful?
Let's leave egos and personal issues behind and lets work together to have a great 2008 racing series at CHMS.

just my 2 cents..........



Roberto

[Martin Lenick]

MPS races held at CHMS are run entirely under the direction of the CHMS staff. We follow their order of the day and are subject to their pre and post-tech inspection. If a protest was filed there, it would fall under CHMS protest procedure.
If "MPS" cannot support and promote Concept Haulers Motor Speedway, then, let's hope there are no "MPS" races at CHMS.

It's likely that I don't know what I'm writing about, but if a track gives time to "MPS" that track's rules apply as a minimum. If "MPS" has rules beyond those, I do not understand why those rules couldn't be applied to "MPS" entrants.

What are you saying, Phil? CHMS is too strict? That you allow cheating which they would not - as you've espoused on this very forum in regard to the Road America race?

[Rick]

Martin, I don't think Phil meant that he allows more (or less) cheating than CHMS. I think the thing that really matters is that Phil is not an authorized Rotax Service center and therefore cannot enforce any technical rules or regulations.

If there was a protest against a competitor's motor, an authorized Rotax tech (I am not one) would need to be present to check the motor.

On the other hand, Phil is the race director for his Master Pro Series and therefore makes all calls in regards to driving related issues (examples: black flags, penalties, aggressive driving, etc). Of course, he can't give anyone a black flag because he also races in his series. Usually that's just left up to the track officials. If there is a debate over some of the calls (or lack of), then the Race Series Director would get final call.

Since both the Master Pro Series and Concept Haulers Motor Speedway are going to run a Rotax Series that might be scheduled on the same day. Who's call would be final in a penalty situation? Would there be separate races for MPS and CHMS? I'm not sure how that would work.

Now I'm confused...

[rooby]

Phil is the race director for his Master Pro Series and therefore makes all calls in regards to driving related issues (examples: black flags, penalties, aggressive driving, etc). Of course, he can't give anyone a black flag because he also races in his series. Usually that's just left up to the track officials. If there is a debate over some of the calls (or lack of), then the Race Series Director would get final call.

Isn't that unfair? :confused: Do the guys that run CHMS race too?

[Martin Lenick]

CHMS does not sanction any cheating. Why in hell would you insinuate that they would allow more or less than someone else - especially Phil?

Go back through Phil's posts to this forum alone and find many ways to bend the rules.

If I endeavored to have my own series, I would, first, understand that it would exist nowhere other than where my rules were at least as safe and fair as those of the standards of the hosting facility.

Second, I would be free to enforce, among those competing in MY event, any rule I chose to publish before selling them a DD2.

[Martin Lenick]

Isn't that unfair? :confused: Do the guys that run CHMS race too?
I think I'd like to respond, but I'm unsure of the context, syntax, grammar, punctuation, and NAME.

[Martin Lenick]

...I think the thing that really matters is that Phil is not an authorized Rotax Service center and therefore cannot enforce any technical rules or regulations.
Bullcrap. If his series is out of control it's because he doesn't have a series - that is to say, the infrastructure to, with professionalism, do what the track-owners do every weekend.

If one wants to do something "better", well, first of all, build or rebuild your own track, or at least, bring a series that doesn't interrupt an established schedule with a "we've got 3... can we please, please have our own race, please", or, "let us start with a less powerful class - we'll kick their butts!!" Next, fill it with racers/customers. Third, keep those customers through service and respect.

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Martin and Rick

You guys should never drink and type.

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Isn't that unfair? :confused: Do the guys that run CHMS race too?


Rooby

There are quite a few 'series promoters' than race in their own series. Even some track owners race at their own track from time to time. Contrary to what Rick stated, I don't make any calls with respect to on track infractions. The track staff makes all the calls. We race under their rules just like any of their other classes.

[JET Karting - Andy Finke]

rooby-

As an owner of Concept Haulers Motor Speedway and JET Karting, I can assure you that we do not have workers racing here.

You will see many of us race, but NOT when we have a job to do. We either race for the day, or run a race for the day.

Racing and working an event both is a practice that is not totally uncommon in the karting world. I have seen it done well and done very poorly.

It is important to us that we run the best series we can when we're hosting, and race as well as we can when competeing. We feel we do both better when we seperate them.


Andy

[Rick]

Martin and Rick

You guys should never drink and type.

I was completely sober. :)

[Rick]

CHMS does not sanction any cheating.

No one sanctions "cheating". Everyone has different interpretations and standards of enforcing them. That's all I'm saying.

Ask three people (Martin, Rick and Phil for example) what they think "cheating" means and you'll get three different answers. The only opinion that matters is the one with the authority to enforce the rules. That's usually the track staff and ultimately the race director.