Anyone planning on competing in NASA Time Trials in 2007?

[Rick]

Anyone planning on competing in NASA Time Trials in 2007?

[peterjank]

I'm not familiar with NASA's time trials. Is it like an autocross except you drive on a road course instead of dodging pylons in a parking lot?

[Rick]

It's open lapping with open passing, like CIR Arrive and Drives, except in production cars. Classification is based on power to weight ratio. Modifications add points to your overall classification. 20 points moves you to the next class. The Lotus Exige S is classified as TTA. The Subaru WRX STi is classified as TTB.

http://www.nasa-tt.com/


About NASA Time Trial

NASA Time Trial (NASA TT) is a National auto competition program, utilizing Regional series based on a time trial style format, with rules that establish car classifications to provide a contest of driver skill. NASA TT is designed to bridge the gap between NASA HPDE (High Performance Driving Events (http://www.nasaproracing.com/hpde/index.html)), and wheel-to-wheel racing. In most regions, we provide awards on a daily basis, and both awards and sponsor provided prizes on an annual basis for competition winners.

NASA TT provides a venue for spirited on-track competition with a high degree of both safety and convenience. NASA TT competition will take place during NASA HPDE-4 sessions or in separate TT run groups, depending on the event schedule and number of participants. In addition to having a set of National NASA TT Rules (http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/Time-Trial-Rules.pdf), the rules, safety guidelines, and driving requirements of the HPDE-4 program apply to NASA TT. These rules can be found in the NASA CCR (Club Codes and Regs) (http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf).

The best part about the NASA TT series is that any closed-wheel street or racecar can be used to compete in this series. Each car gets placed into one of the ten NASA TT classes. Classification begins with an assignment of a base class determined by the car’s original year, make, model, and equipment level specifications. Points are then assessed for any factory options or modifications done to the car, and after reaching 20, 40, 60, 80, 100, etc. modification points, the car is up-classed by one, two, three, four, five (etc.) classes, respectively. We have a computer program tool to help you determine you car classification here: TT Classer Program (http://nasa-tt.com/TT_Classer). We also have a completely unlimited class, TTR, and a semi-unlimited “street car” class, TTU. Cars in both of those classes may use non-DOT-approved tires, while cars in our TTA to TTH classes must use DOT-approved tires. NASA TT is a contest between drivers competing in a particular class; therefore, a driver may change or substitute a vehicle for one in the same class, and continue to accrue points toward the championship series for the season. We also have provisions in the rules for drivers that wish to compete together as teams.

TT drivers will generally have four 20-25 minute open passing run sessions at each event (although at times there are five sessions). Since an “event” is defined as a single day of competition, a typical NASA weekend is comprised of two events. NASA TT Competitors will be timed during each run session, and the fastest lap times of the day will be used to determine the winner of each class (The first session of each day is generally a warm-up session that does not count toward competition). Championship series points will be assigned to all competitors, and daily awards (medals, trophies, or certificates, etc) will be given up to third place, depending on the number of competitors in the class that day.
NASA TT competitors will receive points only in their respective NASA TT class and only within the region sanctioning the NASA TT event they are competing in. Certain multi-region events will be designated as “crossover events”, and the points earned by a driver at such an event will transfer to his or her respective home region’s championship series. However, a driver may also choose to simultaneously compete in more than one region’s championship series. In that case, crossover event points will be applied to both series. A driver must participate in a minimum of six event days to be eligible for championship series trophies, awards, or prizes at the end of the year. The points from every driver’s two lowest events of the year will be dropped (includes events that the driver was not present at). Every year in September, there is a National Championship event, which takes place at the Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course. The winner of each class at this event will be declared the NASA TT Champion of the year for their class. The 2006 eligibility requirement for the National Championships is that a driver must compete in at least 5 regional TT events (five days). Obtaining a certain level of placing is not necessary in 2006.

Anyone wishing to enter a NASA sanctioned TT Series must meet the following requirements:

• Be at least 18 years old (16 or over with parental consent—see CCR section 3.6)
• Hold a current valid state driver’s license—see CCR section 3.6 for minors.
• Have use of an automobile that meets NASA’s technical requirements (CCR 11.4)
• Hold a NASA, or a NASA sanctioned car club, current membership. (Nasa Membership (https://www.nasaproracing.com/joinrenew.html))
• Have proper safety equipment, as per the CCR (Section 11.3—primarily an M95 or better helmet. The equipment requirements are no different than in HPDE.)
• Roll bar for all Convertibles. (Roll Bar Info (http://www.nasaproracing.com/hpde/rollover.html)) (CCR Section 11.4.7)
• Fully pay all applicable fees.
• Have no outstanding debts with NASA or NASA’s affiliates. :lmao:
• Have knowledge of all of the rules found in the NASA National Time Trial rules (http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/Time-Trial-Rules.pdf) and Club Codes and Regulations (http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf), and fully agree to abide by them.
• All drivers must be deemed physically fit by their physician to participate in a high stress and physically demanding sport such as auto racing (although a medical form is not required).:hmm:
• Submit a signed waiver to registration at each event.
• Must be qualified to drive in the advanced, HPDE-4 Group. Entrants will be screened by the TT Director to ensure compliance.
• Entrant must get their car teched before going to registration (Tech Sheets (http://www.nasaproracing.com/images/rules-forms/form_hpde_tech.pdf)).
• Entrant must fill out the NASA TT Classification (http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/Time-Trial-Classification-form.pdf) Form.

Eligible drivers must complete a NASA TT License Application (http://www.nasaproracing.com/images/rules-forms/Time-Trial-License.pdf), and bring it to their first event (unless they have a NASA Competition Race License, in which case a TT License is not necessary). The Regional Director will sign the application after the driver successfully completes the first event, and if the driver is approved for a National TT License. The driver can then send the application and $10 to NASA to receive a TT License and be eligible for further TT competition.
All entered vehicles must be in good condition and appearance and must display a three-digit number on both sides of the car (8-inches high), and the rear of the car (4-inches high). Permanent NASA TT car numbers will be assigned by your Regional TT Director. All TT cars must also display a class designation on both sides and the rear of the car (4 inches high). Class Designations shall be TT followed by the group letter. For example, an A Group competitor would display “TTA” as a class designation. All cars must meet the safety and car preparation standards specified at Section 11.4 of the NASA CCR. All convertibles must meet the roll bar specifications contained in the CCR for HPDE participation.

Please e-mail your Regional TT Director if you desire to compete, or if you just have questions. You can find your Regional Director’s e-mail address through the “Regional Info/Results” button above, on the “Contacts & Links” page for your region. You can also contact our National TT Director, Greg Greenbaum, at greg@nasa-tt.com We have a great group of drivers, and although the majority of us are pretty competitive, our main goal is to have fun. We often pit in the same area, help each other out, and meet for Saturday dinner. Whether you are new to competition, a current racer, or someone who has years of racing experience that wants a lower stress level competition, we have something for you.

[Martin Lenick]

What's the classification for a Dodge conversion van?

[Rick]

What's the classification for a Dodge conversion van?

maybe TTDUI :grinyes:

[Rick]

What's the classification for a Dodge conversion van?

Martin, is this a video of you driving your van?

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[Martin Lenick]

Anyone planning on competing in NASA Time Trials in 2007?
First one to Orlando with a can of pepper spray wins!

Rick, great video! Gerhardt or Robert, is the German text overlay as good as the video? Heck, is it German? I'm just guessing.

[Rick]

The van is actually a Porsche 996 GT3 with a VW Van body. :rofl:Some nutty Russians thought it would be funny to pass other sports cars in a VW bus. It pays to be in organized crime these days.

[Mark Hirt]

Before subject of this thread slips to far away.....

Since this is NASA... are Diapers the only safety gear required

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

I plan to do a couple NASA wheel to wheel races when two things happen:
1) I complete my race car project and 2) they race at a track within 4 hours of Chicago.

[Rick]

I plan to do a couple NASA wheel to wheel races when two things happen:
1) I complete my race car project and 2) they race at a track within 4 hours of Chicago.

Don't they race at Autobahn?

[Rick]

:rofl:Before subject of this thread slips to far away.....

Since this is NASA... are Diapers the only safety gear required

I get it!

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Don't they race at Autobahn?

Yes, I believe they raced there last year, but if I don't get my car done before they come back or come to a track somewhere close by, I'll wait until '08. The track I really want to race at is Grattan.

[loudes13]

i've heard of nasa

their gonna be at grattan mid summer. GR is pretty far, if i'm gonna trailer 4+hrs, might as well go to mid ohio!

[Rick]

i've heard of nasa

Did you hear who the national champion of NASA Time Trials TTD class was last year?

their gonna be at grattan mid summer. GR is pretty far, if i'm gonna trailer 4+hrs, might as well go to mid ohio!I need a trailer. :frown: I think I'm going to go ghetto and get an open trailer to use for both karting and time trials. I called and asked my parents to send me money to buy a trailer.:grinyes: They laughed and asked me for more money.:disappointed:

[loudes13]

my TT car was still very streetable, so I drove all summer until nationals - and I crashed. Good thing I trailered that week!

I'm just borrowing a trailer for the SM. I have no place to store one anyway. Most TT folks drive to the track. Unless you're hauling lots of gear/crew/family and have a reliable streetable car, you could consider just driving.

I drove my SM to blackhawk a couple yrs ago. It was awesome, just throwing my cooler in, jack, spare RA1, and racing out gate after my last race of the day (I ran ITA and SM).

[Rick]

I was wondering what that "DQ" was for. Now I know. How bad was the damage?

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

I was wondering what that "DQ" was for. Now I know. How bad was the damage?

I believe when you crash out of a race the designation is DNF (did not finish) DQ usually refers to a post tech infraction.

[Rick]

I believe when you crash out of a race the designation is DNF (did not finish) DQ usually refers to a post tech infraction.

That's what I thought too. But thats' what it says on their website:

http://nasa-tt.com/Results

loudes13 is Allen Skillicorn. If you look down the page, you'll see he has a DQ on day 3. Maybe you're DQ'ed if you crash? :confused:

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

I suspect he was doing time trials....solo 1? If that's the case, 4 wheels off would be a DQ.

[Rick]

my TT car was still very streetable, so I drove all summer until nationals - and I crashed. Good thing I trailered that week!

What kind of tires did you have on it? I'm not going to drive around on the street with A048s. They'll just wear out too fast. Did you use R compound tires in TT?

[Rick]

Here's the schedule:

Midwest Region
April 28-29, Iowa Speedway, Newton, IA
May 19-20, Putnam Park Roadcourse
June 30-01, Mid America Motorplex, Pacific Junction, IA
July 21-22, Autobahn Country Club, Joliet, IL
August 03-05, Road America, Elkhart Lake, WI
September 08-09, GingerMan Raceway
October 08-08, Autobahn Country Club, Joliet, IL
October 20-21, Road America, Elkhart Lake, WISee this link for more info: http://www.nasaproracing.com/nasa_event/list_events