Hornswoggler
04-10-2007, 09:35 PM
I. Analysis Intro
Last month, some friends and I went to Autobahn Country Club (http://www.autobahncountryclub.net/) to attend an HPDE on the North Course with AMS. While the event had a bumpy morning (was AMS' first time organizing an HPDE event, definately a learning opportunity) we were able to get in some smooth running sessions in the afternoon. The weather was very nice out and it turned out to be a good day.
I brought my Traqmate GPS data acquisition device (http://www.traqmate.com/) so I could capture lap data for this analysis and any future review. One of the great things about the Traqmate is being able to quickly and easily swap this device from one car to another, which makes for some very fun comparisons. While two cars or drivers can put down similar laptimes, its interesting to compare the data and see how they may have accomplished this in different ways. With a full sessions data at your fingertips, it makes a metric like laptimes seem so, well, one dimensional. :D
Since comparing my own runs/laps against each other gets pretty boring (not enough variables!), we took advantage of the Traqmate's portability and captured data from a few different cars in different sessions. Starring in today's analysis is three M3's and one SRT-4. All four of these cars are street cars but plenty of go-fast track goodies. All four drivers were very capable and experienced.
My analysis here is going to be inspired by some of my favorite car mag issues where they perform handling comparisons or sports car shoot-outs using a road course and data. I will be looking at everybody's best time through a certain segment, so not to focus on the fastest lap. Later I will combine fastest segments for each driver and put together a theoretical fastest lap for everybody, and compare vs their actual fastest lap that session to give a feel for each drivers consistency. Also keep in mind there were other cars on the track as this was a non-competitive HPDE driving event and passing was only allowed on two straights.
Table of Contents:
I. Analysis Intro
II. Participant Introductions
III. Segment Analysis
IV. Theoretical best lap (combining best segments from the session)
V. Thoughts/conclusions
I welcome anybody to perform some of their own analysis and please feel free to share. To view these data files, you'll need to download and install a copy of Traqview, the traqmate analysis software. You can get a copy HERE (http://traqmate.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=26) and the Adobe-format user guide HERE (http://www.traqmate.com/downloads/usermanual/TraqmateUserManualLatest.pdf). This software is very easy to use and VERY informative!
Link to the data files:
Zip File (http://www.sokikuya.com/TrackData/ABCC-North-9-18-06.zip)
II. Participant Introductions
Stars of this showdown:
- Me (Collin) in my 1997 M3
- So in his 2002 M3
- Trevor in Tim's 1995 M3
- Joe in his SRT-4
Key mods/specs on the participants
Collin and his 1997 M3
Suspension/chassis:
Ground-Control coil-overs 450F/525R
Corner-weighted
Camber plates (-3.3* front, -2.5* rear)
X-brace
Strut tower brace
Ground-control rear trailing arm bearing (solid)
GC front lower control arm bushings
est. 3,200 lbs
Engine/performance/drivetrain mods:
246 RWHP naturally aspirated 3.2L I6. 7,000 rpm redline (Eurosport OBD-II cam kit)
UUC lightweight flywheel, e34 M5 clutch
Brakes/tire/wheels:
Toyo RA-1 comp-r tires 235/40-17 all around on Kosei K1's
Stoptech 332mm front brakes with Cobalt SpecVR front pads. Motul RBF600 brake fluid
Rear pads are Hawk HP+
Driving experience:
Four years of HPDE's
Advanced run group
Limited Auto-x
So and his 2002 M3
Suspension/chassis:
PSS9 coil-overs
est. 3,400 lbs
Brakes/tire/wheels:
Stoptech BBK 14 inch rotors
Performance Friction "97" compound Front brake pads
HP+ Rear brake pads
245/40/18 Toyo RA1s all around on stock wheels
Driving experience:
Four years of HPDE and Auto-x
Advanced run group
For Trevor in Tim's 95 M3
Suspension/chassis:
Sway Barbarians sway bars
GC coilover kit 500 front and 600 rear
camber plates with about -4 degrees up front and -3 in the rear
Rear seat delete and no CD player, not sure on weight (Tim, any est?)
Engine/performance/drivetrain mods:
Cams
HFM
cone filter
pulleys
injectors
fan delete
3.46 rear differential
Brakes/tire/wheels:
17 inch GT2 wheels
235/40/17 hankook RS2 Z212 (non comp-r tires)
Hawk HP+ front and rear on stock type brake setup
Driving experience:
2 skip barbar schools including (including laguna seca)
6 years of Auto X and Track Days
Audi club instructor certification
FTD of the weekend at the Chicago ZOOM ZOOM LIVE EVENT (2006)
CVO motorsports director
Joe and his SRT-4
Suspension/chassis:
est. 2,900 lbs
Had passenger on this run! est. 180 lbs weight burden.
Engine/performance/drivetrain mods:
Stock (est. 230 fwhp?)
Brakes/tire/wheels:
Driving experience:
Two years of auto-x, one year HPDE's
Best Lap-time Summary:
So: 1:14.350
Collin: 1:15.975
Trevor: 1:16.650
Joe: 1:19.325
III. Segment Analysis
This performance comparison was done at the Autobahn Country Club (http://www.autobahncountryclub.net/) in Joliet, IL. We drove the North Course (http://www.autobahncountryclub.net/northmap.pdf), which is a 1.46 mile course with 9 turns. Most of the corners on this track are very fast, except turns 2 and 6, both are pretty tight. My favorite turn is #9, a full-throttle carousel leading to the front straight. The track runs clockwise.
Here is a picture of the North course with colored segments for analysis:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b327/Hornswoggler/Car%20pictures/Analysis/segment-North-map.jpg
Segment one = Purple
Segment two = Brown
Segment three = Red
Segment four = Light Blue
Segment One
Segment one (Purple) includes the braking zone from the main straight, the fast left-hand corner of turn one, and the sharp right of turn 2. Turn one is very interesting because that was the turn with the most difference in driver technique. Where So and I would brake before turn one, accelerate through, then brake for turn two, Trevor would take a different approach and brake slightly later but through the turn. I always learned to do my braking in a straight line (the safest approach) although have used trail braking for getting more rotation. Will be interesting to see which technique is faster. Turn two is the slowest turn on the track.
The best results for segment one were from the following laps:
Collin - lap 4
So - lap 11
Trevor - lap 9
Joe - lap 3
Data from Segment one:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b327/Hornswoggler/Car%20pictures/Analysis/Seg-1-data.jpg
Segment Two
Segment two (brown) includes three corners, a fast right-hander, a fast left-hander, and a fast right-hander. There is plenty of time between corners to let the car settle so these are fairly gradual transitions. One important thing to note is there was oil spilled right on the driving line of turn four earlier that day, so some drivers may have been a little extra cautious on that turn (I know I was!). I call these the cojones corners as vehicle speed through this section is usually more limited to driver comfort than actual hardware, lol. This segment ends with the third longest straight on the course.
The best results for segment two were from the following laps:
Collin - lap 7
So - lap 9
Trevor - lap 8
Joe - lap 2
The reason Trevor was consistently slower coming into turn three (compared to the other M3's) was because he started his braking zone a little earlier, probably back in segment one. I checked all of Trevor's other laps to verify that the low entry speed was not a fluke.
Data from Segment two:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b327/Hornswoggler/Car%20pictures/Analysis/Seg-2-data.jpg
Last month, some friends and I went to Autobahn Country Club (http://www.autobahncountryclub.net/) to attend an HPDE on the North Course with AMS. While the event had a bumpy morning (was AMS' first time organizing an HPDE event, definately a learning opportunity) we were able to get in some smooth running sessions in the afternoon. The weather was very nice out and it turned out to be a good day.
I brought my Traqmate GPS data acquisition device (http://www.traqmate.com/) so I could capture lap data for this analysis and any future review. One of the great things about the Traqmate is being able to quickly and easily swap this device from one car to another, which makes for some very fun comparisons. While two cars or drivers can put down similar laptimes, its interesting to compare the data and see how they may have accomplished this in different ways. With a full sessions data at your fingertips, it makes a metric like laptimes seem so, well, one dimensional. :D
Since comparing my own runs/laps against each other gets pretty boring (not enough variables!), we took advantage of the Traqmate's portability and captured data from a few different cars in different sessions. Starring in today's analysis is three M3's and one SRT-4. All four of these cars are street cars but plenty of go-fast track goodies. All four drivers were very capable and experienced.
My analysis here is going to be inspired by some of my favorite car mag issues where they perform handling comparisons or sports car shoot-outs using a road course and data. I will be looking at everybody's best time through a certain segment, so not to focus on the fastest lap. Later I will combine fastest segments for each driver and put together a theoretical fastest lap for everybody, and compare vs their actual fastest lap that session to give a feel for each drivers consistency. Also keep in mind there were other cars on the track as this was a non-competitive HPDE driving event and passing was only allowed on two straights.
Table of Contents:
I. Analysis Intro
II. Participant Introductions
III. Segment Analysis
IV. Theoretical best lap (combining best segments from the session)
V. Thoughts/conclusions
I welcome anybody to perform some of their own analysis and please feel free to share. To view these data files, you'll need to download and install a copy of Traqview, the traqmate analysis software. You can get a copy HERE (http://traqmate.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=26) and the Adobe-format user guide HERE (http://www.traqmate.com/downloads/usermanual/TraqmateUserManualLatest.pdf). This software is very easy to use and VERY informative!
Link to the data files:
Zip File (http://www.sokikuya.com/TrackData/ABCC-North-9-18-06.zip)
II. Participant Introductions
Stars of this showdown:
- Me (Collin) in my 1997 M3
- So in his 2002 M3
- Trevor in Tim's 1995 M3
- Joe in his SRT-4
Key mods/specs on the participants
Collin and his 1997 M3
Suspension/chassis:
Ground-Control coil-overs 450F/525R
Corner-weighted
Camber plates (-3.3* front, -2.5* rear)
X-brace
Strut tower brace
Ground-control rear trailing arm bearing (solid)
GC front lower control arm bushings
est. 3,200 lbs
Engine/performance/drivetrain mods:
246 RWHP naturally aspirated 3.2L I6. 7,000 rpm redline (Eurosport OBD-II cam kit)
UUC lightweight flywheel, e34 M5 clutch
Brakes/tire/wheels:
Toyo RA-1 comp-r tires 235/40-17 all around on Kosei K1's
Stoptech 332mm front brakes with Cobalt SpecVR front pads. Motul RBF600 brake fluid
Rear pads are Hawk HP+
Driving experience:
Four years of HPDE's
Advanced run group
Limited Auto-x
So and his 2002 M3
Suspension/chassis:
PSS9 coil-overs
est. 3,400 lbs
Brakes/tire/wheels:
Stoptech BBK 14 inch rotors
Performance Friction "97" compound Front brake pads
HP+ Rear brake pads
245/40/18 Toyo RA1s all around on stock wheels
Driving experience:
Four years of HPDE and Auto-x
Advanced run group
For Trevor in Tim's 95 M3
Suspension/chassis:
Sway Barbarians sway bars
GC coilover kit 500 front and 600 rear
camber plates with about -4 degrees up front and -3 in the rear
Rear seat delete and no CD player, not sure on weight (Tim, any est?)
Engine/performance/drivetrain mods:
Cams
HFM
cone filter
pulleys
injectors
fan delete
3.46 rear differential
Brakes/tire/wheels:
17 inch GT2 wheels
235/40/17 hankook RS2 Z212 (non comp-r tires)
Hawk HP+ front and rear on stock type brake setup
Driving experience:
2 skip barbar schools including (including laguna seca)
6 years of Auto X and Track Days
Audi club instructor certification
FTD of the weekend at the Chicago ZOOM ZOOM LIVE EVENT (2006)
CVO motorsports director
Joe and his SRT-4
Suspension/chassis:
est. 2,900 lbs
Had passenger on this run! est. 180 lbs weight burden.
Engine/performance/drivetrain mods:
Stock (est. 230 fwhp?)
Brakes/tire/wheels:
Driving experience:
Two years of auto-x, one year HPDE's
Best Lap-time Summary:
So: 1:14.350
Collin: 1:15.975
Trevor: 1:16.650
Joe: 1:19.325
III. Segment Analysis
This performance comparison was done at the Autobahn Country Club (http://www.autobahncountryclub.net/) in Joliet, IL. We drove the North Course (http://www.autobahncountryclub.net/northmap.pdf), which is a 1.46 mile course with 9 turns. Most of the corners on this track are very fast, except turns 2 and 6, both are pretty tight. My favorite turn is #9, a full-throttle carousel leading to the front straight. The track runs clockwise.
Here is a picture of the North course with colored segments for analysis:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b327/Hornswoggler/Car%20pictures/Analysis/segment-North-map.jpg
Segment one = Purple
Segment two = Brown
Segment three = Red
Segment four = Light Blue
Segment One
Segment one (Purple) includes the braking zone from the main straight, the fast left-hand corner of turn one, and the sharp right of turn 2. Turn one is very interesting because that was the turn with the most difference in driver technique. Where So and I would brake before turn one, accelerate through, then brake for turn two, Trevor would take a different approach and brake slightly later but through the turn. I always learned to do my braking in a straight line (the safest approach) although have used trail braking for getting more rotation. Will be interesting to see which technique is faster. Turn two is the slowest turn on the track.
The best results for segment one were from the following laps:
Collin - lap 4
So - lap 11
Trevor - lap 9
Joe - lap 3
Data from Segment one:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b327/Hornswoggler/Car%20pictures/Analysis/Seg-1-data.jpg
Segment Two
Segment two (brown) includes three corners, a fast right-hander, a fast left-hander, and a fast right-hander. There is plenty of time between corners to let the car settle so these are fairly gradual transitions. One important thing to note is there was oil spilled right on the driving line of turn four earlier that day, so some drivers may have been a little extra cautious on that turn (I know I was!). I call these the cojones corners as vehicle speed through this section is usually more limited to driver comfort than actual hardware, lol. This segment ends with the third longest straight on the course.
The best results for segment two were from the following laps:
Collin - lap 7
So - lap 9
Trevor - lap 8
Joe - lap 2
The reason Trevor was consistently slower coming into turn three (compared to the other M3's) was because he started his braking zone a little earlier, probably back in segment one. I checked all of Trevor's other laps to verify that the low entry speed was not a fluke.
Data from Segment two:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b327/Hornswoggler/Car%20pictures/Analysis/Seg-2-data.jpg