Official 24 Hours of America Thread

[Rick]

I can't wait! This sounds like it's going to be so fun. :yea:

[Rick]

2 more days!!!

[CIR-Reed]

Are you guys going to be updating us from the race?

[Rick]

Originally posted by CIR-Reed@Jan 4 2007, 04:44 PM
Are you guys going to be updating us from the race?
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No need to. We're going to win. :agree: :diablotin:


j/k... We will be facing some real tough competition. Some national champions even.


I'm sure that either Martin, Peter or I will be posting updates on here through out the race.

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Bring home the trophy!!!

[Rick]

Friday Report

During the initial practices, Dave, Greg and I were struggling. Towards the end, we started racing each other and move up through traffic while racing each other.

After the practice session, alll teams drew karts. All karts with brand new engines and tires. Peter took out the kart for 3 laps and scrubbed the tires and then he came in and Greg drove for 10 minutes and posted a 1'10.993 lap. I was the third driver and did not post a better lap than Greg's. Dave got in the kart after that and posted a 1'10.667 and put our team in 4th overall and first in class. Kim went out and drove for 10 minutes and then Peter drove the last 10 minutes. At the end, we were 5th overall and 1st in class. The closest competitors in our class were 11th, which means they will have to requalify tommorow. The top 10 are locked in. Almost all teams are in the 11s. The top 2 teams are in the 10s.

After closing a million dollar deal, Martin finally made it. He did not get to drive today, but he will get a majority of the practice time tommorow.

So far it's looking good for our chances at a podium in our class. Our goal is to podium overall. That will be tough, but our chances seem good so far.

Oh and on a side note, the CIR team beat the Andretti Indoor Karting team (who are competing in the Pro class).

Martin can drink iced tea almost as fast as he can drink scotch.

[Rick]

Since we were locked in for 5th place, we decided to use the morning qaulification as our practice session. We let Martin take most of the sessions to get up to speed. Things are looking good. Greg hit a 1'10.9 and I hit a 1'10.395 putting us first on the board overall. Dave was trying some new lines through turn 13 and he was looking fast and smooth as usual. At 1pm, Dave will start the race by sprinting to the kart with 10lbs of additional weight on him. I'll keep you guys updated as the race goes one.

[D. Harrington]

Sounds like you guys are fast!! :thumb1:

We need an update!!! :D

[rct25]

How is everything going at this point of the race?
Good luck to you guys!!!

Roberto

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Great job on qualifying and morning practice. Sounds like if you guys stay out of trouble and the kart stays together you could have a shot at the overall win!!! Drive smart :4:

[Rick]

Dave and I are paired together. We started off the race. Dave drove first. In a Le Man style starting fashion, Dave had to sprint to the kart. We lost a position on the start to Andretti Indoor Karting (that sucked). Part of it was due to the fact that Dave had 10 lbs strapped to him, while most of the other drivers put their lead sheets in their seats. For most of the race Dave was dicing it out with 4,5,6,7, and 8th. Andretti Indoor Karting eventually pulled out to 2nd or 3rd. When Dave finally pulled in, we were in first. I got in the kart and eventually made it back to 1st when I pulled in to hand the kart over to Greg and Peter. After that, Dave and I went to grab some food and crash.

When we got back, our team was in 8th position overall and in 2nd for our class. Dave and I drove 3 40 minute stints each. Dave made up 2 positions for us and posted 1'10.8 when battling it out with a NASCAR driver. I made up another 2 positions and posted a 1'10.750. When we were done, we were in 4th place.

Currently Martin and Kim are driving for the team and Greg and Peter will take over in the morning. Dave and I will drive 2 more stints each at 7:40 am. We are 3 laps behind the overall leaders and probably 1 lap behind 3rd. We might have a chance at overall podium, if we stay consistent and get a little luck.

Hopefully Peter or Martin will update you guys while we are sleeping.

[D. Harrington]

Great job guys!! We are all pulling for you! Get some rest.....stay out of trouble out there.....you can do it!! :agree:

[Rick]

Oh I forgot one thing. Some teams filed an official protest against our team. The think that we are too fast for our class. They feel we should be moved up to GT Pro. Lol, our team is the least prepared. Almost every other team has radio communications, full size trailers, support teams (we have Paul though and he is doing an extremely good job). Some of these teams have Persian rugs in their tents! We borrowed 4 chairs from our neighbors. If we were moved up to GT Pro, we'd be the position we are overall. I believe that is 5th at this time. Perhaps next year, we should move up to GT Pro.

Also, I was told that Greg had an epic stint and was passing anyone and everyone while we were resting on our first break. Great job Greg! Too bad he stole Dave's suit and shirt though. :headscratch: Must have been fatigued.

[Rick]

Originally posted by Dave Harrington@Jan 7 2007, 12:29 AM
Great job guys!!* We are all pulling for you!* Get some rest.....stay out of trouble out there.....you can do it!! :agree:
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Thanks Dave! I think a class win is very likely. An overall podium is possible... but it's still too early to tell.

[D. Harrington]

I'm sure you guys are very tired by now.....any updates??

[j oyen]

Did you guys have any contact with any other carts? :4:

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

When do we get to hear the results? How did you guys finish? Did you get bumped up to GT Pro?

[Greg Shebert]

Hey Folks,

After nearly 1200 laps and 24 hours, we won in our class (semi-pro)!

Overall, we finished sixth I believe - about 5 or 10 seconds behind the 5th place team.


It was definitely one of the most difficult things I've ever tried to do - the first day felt like a normal race day but getting up at 2am the next day to drive karts for a few hours in the early morning florida humidity & dew was an adventure. Was definitely surprised at how quickly the track conditions were changing throughout the 24 hours.

Next year, we'll likely go back and compete as GT Pro. The competition will be tough - there were several professional drivers out there this time and I'd expect to see the level of competition increase every year that they run.

The event was extremely well organized and staffed and was a huge success overall. Was happy to participate and very happy to bring the trophy home to Chicago!

-G

[Rick]

Originally posted by j oyen@Jan 7 2007, 12:44 PM
Did you guys have any contact with any other carts?

The driving was very clean over all. Our drivers never put anyone off and were never went off track. I think at most we put one wheel off and then came back on track. There was some contact. But nothing that would change the attitude or handling of the kart. Over the course of the 24 hour race, I personally experienced less contact than I do in a 300 Lap Endurance race at CIR. I think this was due to the fact that the level of driving skill at the 24 Hour race was extremely high. Even though all of us were fighting tooth and nail for every last inch and every last position, hardly anyone overstepped the bounds of their own ability or level of aggression that would have resulted in a crash. I was extremely impressed by the the drivers who participated in this race. I learned a lot things about driving, racecraft, and strategy from this experience and that is one of the best things about this experience for me.

[Greg Shebert]

I think this link will lead you to photos from the event:

http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLandingSi...Dfromshare&Ux=0 (http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=7f29imwp.3sftkor9&Uy=-f9n9hb&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0)

[peterjank]

It was a great experience and we will definitely be doing it again next year.

I want to thank Rick, Greg, Dave, Martin and Kim for doing such a great job driving. While their speed certainly contributed greatly to our class win, equally important was their clean driving - staying on track and avoiding contact.

I also want to thank my brother Paul for all his hard work in keeping the drivers on schedule and managing pit stops. He was in the heart of the action for about 19 of the 24 hours, hobbling around on a knee that will need surgery sometime in the next couple of weeks. He also took some great photos:

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?...Uy=-f9n9hb&Ux=0 (http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=7f29imwp.3sftkor9&Uy=-f9n9hb&Ux=0)

I'll post a link to the official results when they become available on the endurancekarting web-site.

[Rick]

Originally posted by peterjank@Jan 8 2007, 10:42 AM
It was a great experience and we will definitely be doing it again next year.*

I want to thank Rick, Greg, Dave, Martin and Kim for doing such a great job driving.* While their speed certainly contributed greatly to our class win, equally important was their clean driving - staying on track and avoiding contact.*

I also want to thank my brother Paul for all his hard work in keeping the drivers on schedule and managing pit stops.* He was in the heart of the action for about 19 of the 24 hours, hobbling around on a knee that will need surgery sometime in the next couple of weeks.* He also took some great photos:

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?...Uy=-f9n9hb&Ux=0 (http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=7f29imwp.3sftkor9&Uy=-f9n9hb&Ux=0)

I'll post a link to the official results when they become available on the endurancekarting web-site.
Thanks Peter! I think you guys were awesome! Everyone of us drove our stints like it was for the championship. The teamwork was outstanding. Everyone pitched in and did everything they could so that we could win.

I don't think we could have done it without Paul. And I think he does deserve special recognition for his efforts. Without him, we would have been running around like headless chickens. Thanks Paul! I hope he can go with us again next year!

[David Mickelson]

I also want to thank my team members it was a great experience. Paul was definitely a huge factor in our success down there thank you.

The racing was great and for the most part clean. I'm sorry to say I did put four tires in the dirt / grass twice in my last stint. I was following some of the top drivers and wanted to pass them and ran out of racetrack both times coming out of the turns.

I can't wait until next year.

[rct25]

Congratulations!!
Good Job! :cheers:

Roberto

[CIR-Reed]

It sounds like you guys had a fantastic race! :bowdown:

Thank you for the updates throughout the race Rick and Paul!

Congratulations on a job well done!

[MPIGP - Phillip Gordon]

Congratulations!!! :cheers: There is nothing like 'twice around the clock racing'. How many were in your class? Was it pit stops that caused you guys to fall back from the leaders? or lap times?

[Rick]

Originally posted by CoolBreezeRacer@Jan 8 2007, 03:15 PM
Congratulations!!!* :cheers:* There is nothing like 'twice around the clock racing'. How many were in your class? Was it pit stops that caused you guys to fall back from the leaders? or lap times?
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Probably a combination of laptimes, strategy, track familiarity and experience.

Most of the overall leaders race with this series all the time. They are more familiar with the karts and the track.

Actually, many of the winning team's members competed in the IKWC. Peter and I beat most of them, if I remember correctly. It's weird how small the world of competitive karting is.

[ssracing10]

Congrutulations guys :thumb1:

[D. Harrington]

Great job guys!! Sounds like you had a great time and ran a great race! Paul.....thanks for the pictures....they are great!

[j oyen]

Great Job!!! I bet the CIR team had a bunch of the regulars talking!!

Did any of the teams have mechanical problems?
I did read that a cart did catch fire!

Thanks for posting all the info.

John

[Martin Lenick]

Cab fare to Moroso: $180
Bottle of Motrin: $4.59
BeaverView room at the Doubletree: $199
Standing atop the podium: Priceless

It's hard to imaging anything legal being that much fun. Even if we weren't racing, the company of Peter, Paul, Kim, Rick, Greg and Dave makes for a great weekend.

Sorry I didn't have the stuff to keep the 11 kart behind me; next year he's toast. They're all toast!

Thank you all, that goes double for Paul.

[David Mickelson]

You did a great job Martin we won our class and you were a key member in doing that. Next year that 11 Kart won't even be on the same lap as us.

[peterjank]

Hi all,

Paul asked me to pass along this message to all the team drivers. He wanted to post it himself, but said the site would not allow him to do so even though he was able to register as a member yesterday.

"To all of the 24 Hours of America CIR team drivers I
wanted to say I really appreciate all the kind words.
To Martin, Dave, Rick, Greg, Peter and Kim, you were
all consummate professionals in my book. It was my
absolute pleasure to work with such a fine group of
drivers and I look forward to doing it all over again
with you next year.

Also, I wanted to extend my thanks to Peter for making
it all happened and inviting me to join in. He did a
great job handling all the behind the scenes logistics
and setting our initial team strategies that were the
back bone of the effort.

“Ya dun good!�

BTW – it sounds like a few other events are already
brewing in the background as well that I will likely
be involved with. I may even drive some later this
year. You more than likely will be seeing Kim and I
come out for either the March and/or April Ironman
events."

[paul_jankovskis]

:thumb1: Looks like I am now online. Thanks Peter for posting my message. Now I can pester you guys on my own.

[Rick]

We are in the process of analyzing all of the laptimes and data. Once we are done, we'll post it here so you guys can look at it.

[Rick]

http://www.racefan.com/Results.asp?TrackID=466&StoryID=210972

Moroso Motorsports Park
Wednesday, January 17, 2007
Endurance Karting Enjoys Successful Inaugural 24 Hours of America
HUNTERSVILLE, N.C. -- After months of anticipation, Endurance Karting (http://www.racefan.com/Results.asp?TrackID=466&StoryID=210972#) enjoyed a highly successful inaugural 24 Hours of America at Moroso Motorsports Park in West Palm Beach, Fla., Jan. 6-7. Twenty-four teams comprised a field that consisted of domestic and international teams, as well as stars from racing’s top circuits. In the end, 333 Racing etched its name in the record books as the winner of Endurance Karting’s first 24-hour race on American soil.

The race was so successful, in fact, that Endurance Karting already announced plans for a second 24 Hours of America Jan. 11-13, 2008. Moroso Motorsports Park will again host the event, and the field will be open to up to 35 teams.

The inaugural race weekend began Friday with pre-race activities including an advanced racing school (http://www.racefan.com/Results.asp?TrackID=466&StoryID=210972#) that afforded drivers one more chance to sharpen their skills. The starting grid was set in the qualifying session that evening. Team PBG won the opportunity to lead the field to the green flag Saturday afternoon. Team PBG consisted of such talent as NASCAR Busch Series (http://www.racefan.com/Results.asp?TrackID=466&StoryID=210972#) driver Trevor Bayne, NASCAR Craftsman Truck (http://www.racefan.com/Results.asp?TrackID=466&StoryID=210972#) Series driver Chad McCumbee and NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series (http://www.racefan.com/Results.asp?TrackID=466&StoryID=210972#) driver David Ragan, whose next driving challenge will include assuming driving duties of the No. 6 Roush Racing Ford, recently vacated by Mark Martin.

The pole-winning team was not the only team to boast professional racers. Shane Lewis, Daytona Protoype driver and veteran of several 24-hour races, offered his talents to Ricard Racing/Team Moroso and former Toyota (http://www.racefan.com/Results.asp?TrackID=466&StoryID=210972#) Pro Atlantic Series star and current racing talent scout Richie Hearn fielded Team Brighthouse. John Freeman, who will advance to the Busch Series in 2007, drove for Team Jam’d. Drivers came from as far away as Canada and France to compete on the 13-turn, .9-mile (1,280 meters) course owned by one of racing’s most predominant families (http://www.racefan.com/Results.asp?TrackID=466&StoryID=210972#). Drivers’ ages ranged from teens to 60s. The race was a world-class battle among those drivers from many walks of life.

Despite their racing resume, age or nationality, the race was a challenge for one and all. Drivers battled fatigue, anxiety and a host of other emotions, along with the typical Florida humidity, for 24 non-stop hours. Driver changes occurred every 45 minutes, while fuel runs lasted slightly over two hours. With the fastest karts posting lap times around one minute, 10 seconds, speed was of the essence both in the pits and on the track.

Endurance Karting Enjoys

Twenty-four hours and 1,176 laps after the green flag waved, 333 Racing that captured the checkered flag just over a minute before runner-up Team Canada crossed the start/finish line. Team Jam’d, Andretti Indoor Racing and Gatorz Racing completed the top five. The 333 Racing team also won the GT40 Pro Class, which consisted of drivers over age 40 with considerable racing experience. The GTP class, consisting of professional drivers, was won by Team Canada. Team Crawdad 2, Z Frogs, EMC Watchdog Racing and Chicago Indoor Racing clinched class honors for the GT1, GT40, GTBB and GTSP classes, respectively.

The 24 Hours of America was a triumphant launch to the 2007 season. Some of Endurance Karting’s regular driving schools and endurance events have already been scheduled for March 29 April 1 in Jacksonville, Fla., and May 4-6 in Charlotte, N.C., with more events expected to be scheduled soon. More than 1,000 unique participants step behind the wheel of and Endurance Karting kart each year. Isn’t it time you give racing a try? Call Endurance Karting toll-free 1-866-RACE-NOW (1-866-722-3669) or visit www.EnduranceKarting.com (http://www.EnduranceKarting.com) to reserve your chance to race.

[Rick]

Hey Folks,

After nearly 1200 laps and 24 hours, we won in our class (semi-pro)!

Overall, we finished sixth I believe - about 5 or 10 seconds behind the 5th place team.

:wtf:

According to the Endurance Karting site, we finished 7th. Why do they keep on adjusting the order?

http://www.endurancekarting.com/Results/Results_24HrsAmerica.html

[peterjank]

Good question. I'll need to send Johann a e-mail about that. It sucks that we don't seem to get any benefit from having run a clean race. We complete the third most laps and end up bumped down to 7th by adjustment factors applied to other teams.:thumbsdown:

Next year we need to lead flag-to-flag. It would be interesting to see someone justify an adjustment that would put them in front of us in that case.:)

[Rick]

Good question. I'll need to send Johann a e-mail about that. It sucks that we don't seem to get any benefit from having run a clean race. We complete the third most laps and end up bumped down to 7th by adjustment factors applied to other teams.:thumbsdown:

Keep us posted on what he says. This is BS.

Next year we need to lead flag-to-flag. It would be interesting to see someone justify an adjustment that would put them in front of us in that case.:)

I second that motion.

[Rick]

Any word on this Peter?

[Rick]

From: Rick XXXXXXXXX
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:37 PM
To: Info@EnduranceKarting.com
Subject: Requesting Additional Information


To Whom It May Concern:

I competed in this year’s 24 Hours of America with the Chicago Indoor Racing team. When we left, we finished 6th overall (and we actually really finished 3rd because we never ran out of fuel or crashed). Why is it that our team is still moving backwards even after the race? We are listed as 7th overall now on the results page. Can you please explain this to me?

Sincerely,

Rick XXXXXXXXXX


Rick,

I ask Johan to look at this tomorrow.

Thanks,
Karen
It's like we got punted after the race.

[Rick]

Well, I got an answer from Johan at Endurance Karting. What do you guys think about this?




Rick,

Thanks for you email. The team that is ahead of you had an engine problems right at the end of the race. We could not make corrections for that during the race, because the computers was acting up when asked to print, hence we did not want to do it during the race to jeopardize something happening to the computer.

I apologize for that, however I am glad that it did not do anything to the decisive class win that you had. Next year the plan is to run new karts, so problems like this can be minimized.

Hope you will stay warm.

Have a good day and hope to see you next year.

Johan.

[Adam Andrea]

I like how he buttered you up with the "decisive class win" comment.

[Rick]

:shakehead: I feel like a tub of lard has been poured over us.

[Rick]

The team that is ahead of you had an engine problems right at the end of the race.


:bs:

Our team was glued to the timing/scoring screens. We were trying to catch the team in front. We also knew who was behind us. I don't know what he is talking about.

[peterjank]

It doesn't look a reasonable explanation to me. However, as Johan pointed out it really doesn't change the results in any meaningful way. Next year, we just need to plan on leading flag-to-flag. Toward that end, I'd like to start the race with Dave and Rick running double stints through the first 6 hours.

[Rick]

Next year, we just need to plan on leading flag-to-flag. Toward that end, I'd like to start the race with Dave and Rick running double stints through the first 6 hours.

Wow 6 hours! That's going to be intense! Are you serious?

I guess I'll start running 2 miles every day then.

[Martin Lenick]

Wow 6 hours! That's going to be intense! Are you serious?

I guess I'll start running 2 miles every day then.

Better make it 4 miles. West Palm Beach is about 1300 miles from Chicago, and with less than a year to go that will just get you there. :)

[Timmahhh]

Theres a saying in Florida... or at least in Illinois. Bump be down a spot once, shame on the scoring system. Bump me... I cant get bumped again.


Seriously though, that is pretty lame with the scoring. If that did actually happen, they are not allowing any of the teams a chance at a full competition.

[Rick]

Theres a saying in Florida... or at least in Illinois. Bump be down a spot once, shame on the scoring system. Bump me... I cant get bumped again.

:spit:

Seriously though, that is pretty lame with the scoring. If that did actually happen, they are not allowing any of the teams a chance at a full competition.

I'm not so sure that the reason he gave is legitimate. I remember that we were fighting with 11 (who was behind us) and trying to catch 6. Team 16 wasn't anywhere near us.

[Martin Lenick]

I remember that we were fighting with 11 (who was behind us)...

Rick, you guys got me out just ahead of 11, but he passed be in turn 13 after about 10 laps. I kept him in my sites for awhile, but by the end of the race he was gone. Sorry.

edit: 11 had the overall fastest lap of the race. The only team to get into the 1:09's

[Rick]

The point I was making was that 16 was not anywhere near us. And I love how they were placed right in the middle of us and 11. That gap was like 5 seconds. That's some pretty precise timing. If anything they should have been placed directly in front of team which came behind them in their class. Doing it this way effects our overall standing which was something that we all fought extremely hard for over the course of the entire race. Doing it the way I recommend really doesn't have any effect on the standings.

[Martin Lenick]

To the best of my recolection (which is never very good) #16 was well behind us.

[Rick]

Well here's my response to Johan. I want to see what he has to say.

Johan,

I understand that it is difficult to make everyone happy and that your position is a difficult one. However, I feel that your “adjustment” of the final results is questionable. You placed team 16 in front of us and you state that it has no bearing on the results. Every single one of our team members fought hard for 24 hours to earn that result for the overall positions. We were not only racing for our class win. We were racing for the overall win, just like every other team that was there. And if you are going to make the argument that overall position doesn’t matter, then you could have easily placed team 16 behind us. Their position in their class would have been the same AND our overall result would not have been altered. Instead, you place them within a 5 second gap between our team and team 11. How did you calculate that? All of my teammates were glued to the timing scoring screens and I do not recall 16 being anywhere near us. It is one thing to be punted on the track. But to be punted days after the race is over is not a good feeling.

Sincerely,

Rick

[David Mickelson]

I thought kart 16 was running in 3rd or 4th and ran out of gas with about 20 to 15 minutes to go in the race. By Johan response it sounds like it was engine problems. That being said I don't know way 16 was placed in between 11 and us. What I can remember when they rejoined the race they were few laps behind us.

[Rick]

Johan responded today and this is what he had to say about the issue.


Rick,

I understand your concern and, and as you said, I wish that I could make everybody happy. I am sorry that you feel this way, and I understand that you are making the change to the final results questionable. The best answer that I can give you is I would have done the same thing to your team had you had the same problem.

I hope that this did not take too much away from an otherwise good experience that I hoped that you had.

Johan.

[JP Smith]

Hi this is the second time I posted on this forum. Again great forum, and thanks to Rick for showing it to me. I think you guys figured out what happened but I thought I'd let you know from our perspective.

I was on the team "Maximum Fun". Yes were working on the name. We were the team that was battling with Rick and Martins team during the last hour of the race. A great battle by the way. We managed to chase down your kart and pass you at the end and just manage to hold on for 5th place. Team "Gatorz" was ahead of us both until the last few minutes of the race when they had an engine failure. Gatorz is the team that was artifically inserted between our two teams in the standings, which I think is total crap as well. You guys have a totally legitimate beef with Johan over this. Little known fact: Gatorz is a new team that a guy named Yuri (a good friend of Johans who has raced on his Endurance karting teams as Johans teammate for several years) put together. The team is Yuris son and some other good young drivers and of course Yuri.

Earlier in the race we were second place and chasing the Gatorz kart who was in first at that point, when they burst into flames, I think Rick was directly behind the Gatorz kart when that happened and I was behind Rick. When I came in after my stint the Gatorz kart was magically ahead of us again. Myself and one of the other drivers from my team went to Johan to object to this, and he admitted he gave them laps back and put them a lap ahead of us, We both argued with him but he refused to budge. It was our contention that their team didn't check their fuel cap on their out lap like they were told to do in the driver meeting. Our team did. We left there so angry we wanted to choke him but we decided to disregard and continue with our race. At the end of the race when we managed to overtake Yuris team with their engine failure, we felt vindicated. After the conclusion of the race we heard that Yuris team was getting their laps back. We all flipped out, one of our drivers had to hang back because we thought he was going to attack Johan. The other four of us went to Johan and demanded to see where in the rules it stated that teams would be credited laps. At that point Johan goes over and ASKS one of Yuris guys if it would be ok if we were allowed to finish ahead of them?! The last time I looked at the Endurance Karting pages our team is in 5th on the first page and in 6th on the second. It's stupid. I've never been part of or heard of any kind of racing from Formula One to fun karts where teams get laps back because of a misfortune! It isn't racing! The bottom line is Johan gives laps back to his pals. If I do this race again next year I'll confront him about this at the drivers meeting.

I think I just got carpultunnel syndrome.

[JP Smith]

Kevin Bligan from team 333 pointed out some errors in my posting. Team 333 wasn't involved in any of this mess, but Kevin just wanted to point out some errors in my posting.

The first one Yuri doesn't have a kid. Oops. One of the guys on my team indicated that one of the kids on Gatorz was Yuri's son. I don't know why, but like an idiot I just assumed this was true and never gave it a second thought. They are all in fact, a fast bunch of young drivers Yuri recruited. I apologize to Yuri, and thanks to Kevin for pointing that out.

Kevin mentioned that the gas cap was never put back on the kart at all. I indicated that the cap fell off during the race. I don't think this changes anything in my mind in terms of at least partial driver responsibility for the accident.

Is anyone besides Kevin and I even reading this?

[Martin Lenick]

For what little it's worth, I'm watching this...
And a belated welcome to you, JP_Smith.

Holy Toledo, blkdjf;klajsdf;klj, lots of time gone by \, cantt htin\k yakkk
my la[top needs a bre82l ize4.
:drinking::drinking:

[Rick]

I'm sure the entire Chicago team is reading this.

[peterjank]

Yup, I'm reading it as well. Definitely sounds like something that needs to be discussed at the drivers meeting, if not before. I have jokingly said that leading flag-to-flag is the best way to avoid this sort of stuff. However, I'm beginning to have my doubts.

[Rick]

I still think it's absurd that they were placed right in between Maximum Fun and our team. There still has been no explanation as to how they calculated that. I wonder what the actual delay was. I'm sure the actual delay was edited out when Johan altered the race history. I guess it pays to be friends with the organizer of the event. :disappointed: